Looking for Carrera T allocation
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My opinion, so take it for what it's worth (not much) is that the T ethos is about simplicity. A throwback type of car, that is intended to be more fun than fast. A simpler, purer driving experience that maintains 911 daily-driver usability and tries to recall some of the character and flavor of old 911s. To me, adding PCCB, RAS, LWBS actually takes away some of that ethos - less is more, simpler is better, usability is important. Those options arguably make it a better/faster sports car, but in the direction of a GT car, which is not the T ethos. The T could be a mini-GT car with those options, but the added cost and complexity moves it pretty close to a GTS or even a used GT car of some sort. I think of the T inline with the Lotus philosophy - Simplify and add lightness.
I've read on here somewhere that RAS weighs 33lbs, and also 40 lbs, so I am assuming somewhere between 30-40 pounds. RAS adds weight and complexity, but also most say improves high speed handling and low-speed maneuverability (parking, u-turns, etc). Is RAS aligned with the T ethos? That depends on what you want the T to be.
LWBS look awesome but are they too much of a headache to use everyday? You lose the backseats and since they don't fold, you lose easy access to the back for storage. Again, I think it just depends on what you want out of the car and how you intend to use it.
I've read on here somewhere that RAS weighs 33lbs, and also 40 lbs, so I am assuming somewhere between 30-40 pounds. RAS adds weight and complexity, but also most say improves high speed handling and low-speed maneuverability (parking, u-turns, etc). Is RAS aligned with the T ethos? That depends on what you want the T to be.
LWBS look awesome but are they too much of a headache to use everyday? You lose the backseats and since they don't fold, you lose easy access to the back for storage. Again, I think it just depends on what you want out of the car and how you intend to use it.
I agree with Sigma's post above...the T allows spirited driving which most of us want anyway (weekends, occasional track day).
What I find funny is that many of us GT car owners scoffed at the car when it first arrived but man is it incredibly good. I spec'd mine with 4-ways as I wanted rear seat use for things and my kids when they drive with me. RAS was a no brainer as I like the steering performance it adds. I've always had a sunroof in my cars but loathe the all glass look so went with the std sunroof.
If you can grab an allocation you'll be incredibly lucky as I know Canada has sold out long ago.
Or start looking aggressively for a used one as the T demand seems to be up there for smartly equipped cars that aren't PDK or bloated by the dealers.
What I find funny is that many of us GT car owners scoffed at the car when it first arrived but man is it incredibly good. I spec'd mine with 4-ways as I wanted rear seat use for things and my kids when they drive with me. RAS was a no brainer as I like the steering performance it adds. I've always had a sunroof in my cars but loathe the all glass look so went with the std sunroof.
If you can grab an allocation you'll be incredibly lucky as I know Canada has sold out long ago.
Or start looking aggressively for a used one as the T demand seems to be up there for smartly equipped cars that aren't PDK or bloated by the dealers.
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I understand. I wanted a late 2019 Carrera T -- the GSM at my dealership had to trade for my allocation, too, and it took him a while. It's pretty obvious that some dealers made big mistakes with their T allocations. First, they ordered them as lot cars instead of holding onto them as changeable allocations. Second, they had Forrest Gump spec several of them (going back to Cam's point above). PDK, heavy options, bloated specs, etc....some of these dealers are their own worst enemy as they really don't understand the cars they are selling. You can't just load up a Carrera T like you can a TTS (already heavy and arguably over-specced from the gate) and expect it to move quickly.
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I simply love my car with RAS. First time you do a 3-point turn, you'll be hooked. Performance is great, although I haven't tracked her yet. Makes the car feel much smaller than it is, like an older 911.
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As soon as I did a 3 point turn it is shocking how tight the turns are, also still in break in, but the car is so sharp and precise I am so impressed.
negatives are weight, I can see if you want to keep the T pure... but I love it for my S!
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I feel kinda fortunate that I found my used Carrera T with only 724 miles on it. The only thing that I would prefer is the 4 way seats, mine came with the 18 way seats. Mine also came without the smokers package which is nice, since I have a place to keep my house keys when driving. Though, I prefer the clean look of the smokers package.
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Agree 100%! RAS transforms the car. And the Carrera T is the only model for which you can get the base engine (smaller turbos, linear acceleration) and RAS. Pretty cool.
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I made an offer on one that is bare bones as I could find.
My build that was sent to dealers had zero options.
The only options I considered were RAS and GT silver paint.
We will see what happens, but I will be trading in my stripper F80 with passive suspension that I love, love, love.....love that car, it is so misunderstood
- great memories!
As for Porsche Rent & Drive, I emailed them and they have (ZERO) manual transmission cars on offer in Europe, only PDK, in any variant 718/911.
My hope was now that the PEC centers finally offer manuals, that Rent & Drive would follow.
My build that was sent to dealers had zero options.
The only options I considered were RAS and GT silver paint.
We will see what happens, but I will be trading in my stripper F80 with passive suspension that I love, love, love.....love that car, it is so misunderstood
- great memories!As for Porsche Rent & Drive, I emailed them and they have (ZERO) manual transmission cars on offer in Europe, only PDK, in any variant 718/911.
My hope was now that the PEC centers finally offer manuals, that Rent & Drive would follow.
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LWB makes the biggest difference in feel. It’s like you are bolted to the car. Once you get the hang of it, no big deal in and out. If this tall, decrepit, fat a** can do it, you can too. I am sure the weight savings does not hurt either. I was really surprised that there was not a higher take rate on the LWBs — at least I have not seen a lot with them. Whereas GT3 Tourings even most seem to have them. Maybe it is because they end up being $6k with the mandatory alcantara wheel and shifter and the T is a value proposition. Or maybe it’s because it makes the T-interior package (which I was surprised has such a high take rate given the cost) lose a lot of its appeal because the seat centers are alcantara. Regardless, I would get LWB and swap the wheel for wood (or leather or CF if you prefer), same with the ****, and I would also swap the alcantara seat centers for something else — Classicfx has genuine Porsche fabrics (but has run out of genuine houndstooth) so you could do T-interior fabric on them or even GT3T cloth (which is nice). Rstrada and P1designs both do nice seat centers too, but I am partial to the genuine fabrics.
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I made an offer on one that is bare bones as I could find.
My build that was sent to dealers had zero options.
The only options I considered were RAS and GT silver paint.
We will see what happens, but I will be trading in my stripper F80 with passive suspension that I love, love, love.....love that car, it is so misunderstood - great memories!
As for Porsche Rent & Drive, I emailed them and they have (ZERO) manual transmission cars on offer in Europe, only PDK, in any variant 718/911.
My hope was now that the PEC centers finally offer manuals, that Rent & Drive would follow.
My build that was sent to dealers had zero options.
The only options I considered were RAS and GT silver paint.
We will see what happens, but I will be trading in my stripper F80 with passive suspension that I love, love, love.....love that car, it is so misunderstood
- great memories!As for Porsche Rent & Drive, I emailed them and they have (ZERO) manual transmission cars on offer in Europe, only PDK, in any variant 718/911.
My hope was now that the PEC centers finally offer manuals, that Rent & Drive would follow.
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I recognize your user name. I am a longtime M-guy.
I had an M2, E46, E90, and currently own a 1M.
F80 seats 5 and has a large trunk, yet is nimble and fast, an improved E39 M5, IMO!!!!
Once people realize the M2 is the modern E46, it simplifies things
But, I have a thing for the 911 T. I saw one then researched it and thought
“If I were ever to get a new 911 that is the one”
I had an M2, E46, E90, and currently own a 1M.
F80 seats 5 and has a large trunk, yet is nimble and fast, an improved E39 M5, IMO!!!!
Once people realize the M2 is the modern E46, it simplifies things
But, I have a thing for the 911 T. I saw one then researched it and thought
“If I were ever to get a new 911 that is the one”
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I recognize your user name. I am a longtime M-guy.
I had an M2, E46, E90, and currently own a 1M.
F80 seats 5 and has a large trunk, yet is nimble and fast, an improved E39 M5, IMO!!!!
Once people realize the M2 is the modern E46, it simplifies things
But, I have a thing for the 911 T. I saw one then researched it and thought
“If I were ever to get a new 911 that is the one”
You will not go wrong with most any 911, the first thing I felt when I drove one was, "Oh my god, I get it. I understand why people love this car!"
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LWB makes the biggest difference in feel. It’s like you are bolted to the car. Once you get the hang of it, no big deal in and out. If this tall, decrepit, fat a** can do it, you can too. I am sure the weight savings does not hurt either. I was really surprised that there was not a higher take rate on the LWBs — at least I have not seen a lot with them. Whereas GT3 Tourings even most seem to have them. Maybe it is because they end up being $6k with the mandatory alcantara wheel and shifter and the T is a value proposition. Or maybe it’s because it makes the T-interior package (which I was surprised has such a high take rate given the cost) lose a lot of its appeal because the seat centers are alcantara. Regardless, I would get LWB and swap the wheel for wood (or leather or CF if you prefer), same with the ****, and I would also swap the alcantara seat centers for something else — Classicfx has genuine Porsche fabrics (but has run out of genuine houndstooth) so you could do T-interior fabric on them or even GT3T cloth (which is nice). Rstrada and P1designs both do nice seat centers too, but I am partial to the genuine fabrics.