Drove a 991.2 - wow!
06-19-2018, 10:43 PM
#31
Instructor
Love my .2 C2. To truly appreciate what all these cars are made of you need to track them. I was stunned by the performance of my car. Whatever or whenever you do next make sure you track it. Trust me it won't be a one off. Best to you on your decision.
06-19-2018, 11:05 PM
#32
Race Director
Personally speaking I like the effort related to keeping it at the top of that band, feels more like a “sport” and just more involved and rewarding imo. And the sound is so raw and emotive with an X Pipe. One of the reasons the .2 base doesn’t feel much faster to me is because I’ve really gotten used to keeping the .1 in its powerband when necessary/desired, and the .2 making such relatively plentiful power at the low rev ranges renders it almost pointless to (safely) rev out in real world scenarios, so especially mixed with the more docile and less viscious exhaust character, it gives me less sensation. I remember it wasn’t until I looked at the speedo of the first .2 base I drove that I noticed it was picking up speed a bit quicker than my car does.
My 911 isn’t my DD though. So usually when I drive it, I drive it to DRIVE it. Thus why keeping RPM’s up is the main motive/best part. I also have lots of twisty roads around me. Otherwise when I’m in traffic with it, it’s comletely docile and I drive it like a granny. True Jekyll/Hyde.
If I put more miles on my car and drove it more like a normal person does (traffic to work, less twisty roads in my backyard, etc.) with more scenarios where I need to call upon low and mid range power (say, for a quick burst of power to brighten the day but not scream from the top of the hills) I completely get the merit of the 991.2. I just feel that EVERY car now has a boosted low-end torque heavy powerband. It’s kind of lost its novelty to me. But that’s just me. For whatever reason I enjoy more extremes. Either docile or screaming from the top of the hills.
I would love one of each too though.
06-19-2018, 11:14 PM
#33
Drifting
We as Porsche drivers and enthusiasts are lucky to have so many great options. I am sure the 991.2 Carrera line is brilliant and a blast to drive but I will always be in the NA camp. It is too bad that Porsche stopped producing naturally aspirated Carreras due to the tightening of emissions standards. I feel lucky to have a naturally aspirated four seater 911 cabriolet in my garage. Those are going to be increasingly hard to find as the years go by. Now, Porsche NA enthusiasts are left to buy used Carreras or go big with the GT3 or GT3-RS which is not necessarily a practical decision if one is looking for a daily driver for under $150,000. I anticipate that the 997 and 991.1 Carreras will be sought after in the years to come, in part because of the glorious flat six NA engine that was perfected by Porsche over some 50 years.
06-20-2018, 12:28 AM
#34
We as Porsche drivers and enthusiasts are lucky to have so many great options. I am sure the 991.2 Carrera line is brilliant and a blast to drive but I will always be in the NA camp. It is too bad that Porsche stopped producing naturally aspirated Carreras due to the tightening of emissions standards. I feel lucky to have a naturally aspirated four seater 911 cabriolet in my garage. Those are going to be increasingly hard to find as the years go by. Now, Porsche NA enthusiasts are left to buy used Carreras or go big with the GT3 or GT3-RS which is not necessarily a practical decision if one is looking for a daily driver for under $150,000. I anticipate that the 997 and 991.1 Carreras will be sought after in the years to come, in part because of the glorious flat six NA engine that was perfected by Porsche over some 50 years.
While people like to blame the Chinese and it is partially true that Porsche went with a sub 3000cc engine to avoid taxes/tarrifs, it's not entirely the reason why Porsche went F.I.
How is a brand like Porsche going to keep up with other auto manufactures making quicker and quicker cars using FI when NA flat 6's have their limit? So say they throw in a GT3 motor in the Carrera to keep it NA.. What's the GT3 going to use?
How would it look on Porsche if their beloved Carrera is getting out run by much lesser cars in terms of engineering and price?
The 3.0t is not some emissions/tree loving engine. It's a full performance engine that in nearly every way is better than it's predecessor. Sound is objective. While driving around a 3.8 with PSE and 3.0t with PSE I can't say that from inside the cabin they sound all that different. In fact the 3.0 has grown on me so much I can't unhear the lazy sound of the 3.8... Dare I say that the 3.4 sings better?
06-20-2018, 12:29 AM
#35
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06-20-2018, 12:31 AM
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06-20-2018, 12:39 AM
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06-20-2018, 12:44 AM
#39
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The largest market (maybe for all practical purposes the "only" market) for the Corvette is the U.S., which has less stringent emissions standards than the EU (or ROW).
So comparing what GM and Porsche (or even VW) needs to do with their engines to meeting emissions standards isn't really a good starting point.
06-20-2018, 12:46 AM
#40
True. However, the C7 Z51 I just sold was a 7M and never went into 4 cylinder mode unless in the Eco setting.......which I never used. It would routinely hit 28-29 mpg......the same as my 2017 C2S with PDK.
06-20-2018, 12:53 AM
#41
The 911 going FI was more about meeting EU emissions standards (and China), not the U.S.
The largest market (maybe for all practical purposes the "only" market) for the Corvette is the U.S., which has less stringent emissions standards than the EU (or ROW).
So comparing what GM and Porsche (or even VW) needs to do with their engines to meeting emissions standards isn't really a good starting point.
The largest market (maybe for all practical purposes the "only" market) for the Corvette is the U.S., which has less stringent emissions standards than the EU (or ROW).
So comparing what GM and Porsche (or even VW) needs to do with their engines to meeting emissions standards isn't really a good starting point.
Emissions is not the full reason. Re read the post.
06-20-2018, 01:03 AM
#42
Same, but it was more than the sound. The .2’s that I drove were without a doubt faster, smoother cars, and a much better DD than the .1 for sure, but they felt too refined to me. The base .2 I drove felt like a 911 Audi would make. But I was still really impressed with the cars. If they sounded better, I might have been tempted but there were too many things about the car that I don’t care for. Personal preference stuff though.
06-20-2018, 01:28 AM
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06-20-2018, 02:15 AM
#44
Drifting
If Porsche had been so enamored with the FI engine, why didn't they just turbocharge the entire 911 line back in 1974 when they introduced the turbo? Porsche pushed the limits with the flat six NA engine in the 991.1's 3.8 L and in the 991.2's 4.0 L. As others have said in other threads, in order for Porsche to increase the power of the NA engine going forward, it would have to add cylinders - make it a V8 or a V10, for instance - which would be heresy in a 911. Not only would it add weight, it would be even worse from an emissions standpoint. Given the tightening regulations - particularly in the EU - Porsche's hand was forced to dump the NA engine from the Carrera line even though in real-world driving situations, the FI engine is not necessarily any more "green" than its NA counterpart. Fortunately, Porsche has also mastered engineering of the FI flat six since the mid-70's, so it was not hard for them to produce fantastic FI engines for the 991.2 Carrera line. Like it or not, FI is the new standard bearer in the 911, notwithstanding the GT division (and depending on what you read and who you believe, even that may change sooner rather than later).
06-20-2018, 07:13 AM
#45
The inner me is telling me to get both.
The better half is telling me to sleep on the couch if I do.