9A2 Achille’s heel inquiry
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Bulldawgfan1000 (10-14-2022)
#32
Several years ago when I learned about the marvel that is Jake Raby his posts were so insightful, but buried in with everyone else's, uh, comments, that I used the RL function to find and read every post by Jake Raby. With all due deference to the OP, I think a more accurate reading of Raby is that the bore scoring he's talking about happens in cold weather so soon after startup that warm-up is irrelevant. Warm-up being driving the first several minutes, or longer. Bore scoring being wear that happens in the first few SECONDS, before the car is even driven. Hence, how you drive or warm the car up is, as far as this particular failure mode goes, irrelevant. The damage is either done, or not done, before you can even get out of the driveway.
Go ahead, read through his posts. There's one where he talks about testing a car with scores (hundreds?) of rapid restarts in zero degree weather with fans blowing, starting and shutting it down after just a few seconds, over and over again. He's not testing warm-up. He's testing start-up. Because that's when the damage happens.
Spend even a little time learning about Jake, you will quickly come to understand the man is a perfectionist with an incredibly idealized vision of how things should be. Porsche is perfectly happy with a failure rate of some small percentage. Most everyone else is excited to buy a car with an engine a little more solid than average. Jake is barely comfortable with a rate of zero. Well, unlike Porsche, et al, the failures come out of his pocket. His personal pocket. The man is so behind his work he even stood behind one that was way, way, WAY out of warranty and sold on BAT with problems posted on BAT and he STILL built the guy who bought it a new one for virtually nothing.
In other words, by any normal real world standard this engine is a rock solid pinnacle of high-performance engine production. To Jake its just another imperfect baseline.
Go ahead, read through his posts. There's one where he talks about testing a car with scores (hundreds?) of rapid restarts in zero degree weather with fans blowing, starting and shutting it down after just a few seconds, over and over again. He's not testing warm-up. He's testing start-up. Because that's when the damage happens.
Spend even a little time learning about Jake, you will quickly come to understand the man is a perfectionist with an incredibly idealized vision of how things should be. Porsche is perfectly happy with a failure rate of some small percentage. Most everyone else is excited to buy a car with an engine a little more solid than average. Jake is barely comfortable with a rate of zero. Well, unlike Porsche, et al, the failures come out of his pocket. His personal pocket. The man is so behind his work he even stood behind one that was way, way, WAY out of warranty and sold on BAT with problems posted on BAT and he STILL built the guy who bought it a new one for virtually nothing.
In other words, by any normal real world standard this engine is a rock solid pinnacle of high-performance engine production. To Jake its just another imperfect baseline.
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Greg D. (08-23-2021)
#33
Warm-up being driving the first several minutes, or longer. Bore scoring being wear that happens in the first few SECONDS, before the car is even driven. Hence, how you drive or warm the car up is, as far as this particular failure mode goes, irrelevant. The damage is either done, or not done, before you can even get out of the driveway.
...Each time we were involved in this failure mode it had been driven on a cold day without lengthy warm up times before fast driving.
I would say you need to get the oil temperature up to normal running temperature and then drive for another 10 to 20 minutes, gradually increasing throttle opening before giving the car full aggressive throttle.
I would say you need to get the oil temperature up to normal running temperature and then drive for another 10 to 20 minutes, gradually increasing throttle opening before giving the car full aggressive throttle.
#34
#35
Several years ago when I learned about the marvel that is Jake Raby his posts were so insightful, but buried in with everyone else's, uh, comments, that I used the RL function to find and read every post by Jake Raby. With all due deference to the OP, I think a more accurate reading of Raby is that the bore scoring he's talking about happens in cold weather so soon after startup that warm-up is irrelevant. Warm-up being driving the first several minutes, or longer. Bore scoring being wear that happens in the first few SECONDS, before the car is even driven. Hence, how you drive or warm the car up is, as far as this particular failure mode goes, irrelevant. The damage is either done, or not done, before you can even get out of the driveway.
Go ahead, read through his posts. There's one where he talks about testing a car with scores (hundreds?) of rapid restarts in zero degree weather with fans blowing, starting and shutting it down after just a few seconds, over and over again. He's not testing warm-up. He's testing start-up. Because that's when the damage happens.
Spend even a little time learning about Jake, you will quickly come to understand the man is a perfectionist with an incredibly idealized vision of how things should be. Porsche is perfectly happy with a failure rate of some small percentage. Most everyone else is excited to buy a car with an engine a little more solid than average. Jake is barely comfortable with a rate of zero. Well, unlike Porsche, et al, the failures come out of his pocket. His personal pocket. The man is so behind his work he even stood behind one that was way, way, WAY out of warranty and sold on BAT with problems posted on BAT and he STILL built the guy who bought it a new one for virtually nothing.
In other words, by any normal real world standard this engine is a rock solid pinnacle of high-performance engine production. To Jake its just another imperfect baseline.
Go ahead, read through his posts. There's one where he talks about testing a car with scores (hundreds?) of rapid restarts in zero degree weather with fans blowing, starting and shutting it down after just a few seconds, over and over again. He's not testing warm-up. He's testing start-up. Because that's when the damage happens.
Spend even a little time learning about Jake, you will quickly come to understand the man is a perfectionist with an incredibly idealized vision of how things should be. Porsche is perfectly happy with a failure rate of some small percentage. Most everyone else is excited to buy a car with an engine a little more solid than average. Jake is barely comfortable with a rate of zero. Well, unlike Porsche, et al, the failures come out of his pocket. His personal pocket. The man is so behind his work he even stood behind one that was way, way, WAY out of warranty and sold on BAT with problems posted on BAT and he STILL built the guy who bought it a new one for virtually nothing.
In other words, by any normal real world standard this engine is a rock solid pinnacle of high-performance engine production. To Jake its just another imperfect baseline.
#37
I always thought the break-in process is a bit of a joke. I properly warm up my T, which to be exact = 194 - 200F oil temperature at least, do not exceed 3k, maybe 3.5k RPM and do not switch on Sport or Sport+ (because it prevents quick and proper warm-up when cold) until after warm-up....then proceed to enjoy the car as intended while avoiding redline for the first few hundred miles. I still haven't touched redline on my T but to be honest haven't felt the need to as that's not really the "fun part" of the 9A2 engine. I have zero worry that the engine will have any issues.
#38
Originally Posted by subshooter
I have 39k miles on my 9A1 and 11k on my 9A2.
No issues with either one of them....and I hammer the crap out of 'em and didn't follow the break-in process.
No issues with either one of them....and I hammer the crap out of 'em and didn't follow the break-in process.
#39
#40
I always thought the break-in process is a bit of a joke. I properly warm up my T, which to be exact = 194 - 200F oil temperature at least, do not exceed 3k, maybe 3.5k RPM and do not switch on Sport or Sport+ (because it prevents quick and proper warm-up when cold) until after warm-up....then proceed to enjoy the car as intended while avoiding redline for the first few hundred miles. I still haven't touched redline on my T but to be honest haven't felt the need to as that's not really the "fun part" of the 9A2 engine. I have zero worry that the engine will have any issues.
I thought the properly warmed up oil temp was 180 degrees?
#41
I don’t do *** ever.
#42
#43
Nah.....both are manuals.