"The Getawayer" Guido Komp review of the .2 GTS
12-22-2017, 08:55 PM
#106
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^^^Well said.
12-22-2017, 08:58 PM
#107
No one has issues with Guido giving a opinion. One can agree or disagree. . In fact you may recall the last auto journalist over in Macan forum who criticized the car drove an old Acura when the moderator looked him up . In short these guys just test drive and give opinions. Outside of Chris Harris not many own the cars they review.
The issue isnt one of differing opinion. The issue is that this is a Porsche forum and for owners who themselves lack the car (and in some cases BOTH cars .. Gt3 and GTS) to endlessly mock and ridicule a car of its members is not only juvenile but in many cases factually incorrect .. None have plunked down one piece of performance, technological , comfort ,or daily reliability use data to support the drivel they have posted.
In your case this 991.base car is your first 911 . If you think that your car and the Gt3 are the only 911 cars worth drooling over we got your point . But I can see the value in the diversity among the 911 range from the Gt3 to the Turbo S . I dont dislike any of them and that is why each variant exists .
Now why dont you enjoy your own cars and stop mocking the cars of others who enjoy theirs .
The issue isnt one of differing opinion. The issue is that this is a Porsche forum and for owners who themselves lack the car (and in some cases BOTH cars .. Gt3 and GTS) to endlessly mock and ridicule a car of its members is not only juvenile but in many cases factually incorrect .. None have plunked down one piece of performance, technological , comfort ,or daily reliability use data to support the drivel they have posted.
In your case this 991.base car is your first 911 . If you think that your car and the Gt3 are the only 911 cars worth drooling over we got your point . But I can see the value in the diversity among the 911 range from the Gt3 to the Turbo S . I dont dislike any of them and that is why each variant exists .
Now why dont you enjoy your own cars and stop mocking the cars of others who enjoy theirs .
Take your own advice. Let’s simplify this: This thread is about a review that was lukewarm on a GTS. Some of us came here to express how and why we’re in agreement with him. Nobody’s kicking sand in your Cheerios. At the end of the day, you have the new $150K GTS and I have an ancient “first timer” data snail that only poor people can afford. Happy? Have a great weekend!
12-22-2017, 08:59 PM
#108
I'm not going into "he's driven just about everything", I've seen most of the worlds great paintings in many of the worlds foremost museums and galleries - it doesn't mean I can crack on out a great painting.
I'm not going to go into the cars I've owned or have on order - that would be crass. Needless to say I've seen, driven and tracked plenty - oh and did I say I have the 550Nm/450HP unit.
So frankly, I think I know an awful lot more than Guido and frankly the fact that you test drove a GTS does not lend any great weight to your opinion.
12-22-2017, 09:02 PM
#109
So what if he's a professional journalist - is he a professional engineer? is he a professional driver?
I'm not going into "he's driven just about everything", I've seen most of the worlds great paintings in many of the worlds foremost museums and galleries - it doesn't mean I can crack on out a great painting.
I'm not going to go into the cars I've owned or have on order - that would be crass. Needless to say I've seen, driven and tracked plenty - oh and did I say I have the 550Nm/450HP 9A2.
I'm not going into "he's driven just about everything", I've seen most of the worlds great paintings in many of the worlds foremost museums and galleries - it doesn't mean I can crack on out a great painting.
I'm not going to go into the cars I've owned or have on order - that would be crass. Needless to say I've seen, driven and tracked plenty - oh and did I say I have the 550Nm/450HP 9A2.
12-22-2017, 09:10 PM
#111
12-22-2017, 09:30 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by randr
Well if its factually incorrect in places..........he clearly does't understand what engine response is for example. totally over this type of stuff
Stop for a moment and think - some of us have owned and driven these and variants for a long time
Stop for a moment and think - some of us have owned and driven these and variants for a long time
I..,,just.....have no words at how ridiculous that is. I'm done.
12-22-2017, 10:33 PM
#113
12-22-2017, 10:50 PM
#114
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If i could go to the configurator and had a choice of a 450 hp NA or a 450hp FI. I would choose the N/A every day of the week. Porsche made it palpable because they added a few more hp. They know how to market. The reality is. Everybody here would get on there knees if Porsche said they are going to build a 450hp N/A with a 6 speed that will weight less than 3000 lbs and cost about 100k. I know I would.
12-22-2017, 11:23 PM
#115
If i could go to the configurator and had a choice of a 450 hp NA or a 450hp FI. I would choose the N/A every day of the week. Porsche made it palpable because they added a few more hp. They know how to market. The reality is. Everybody here would get on there knees if Porsche said they are going to build a 450hp N/A with a 6 speed that will weight less than 3000 lbs and cost about 100k. I know I would.
I am not here saying all this as it relates to .1 and .2 911's. I always enjoyed and owned BMW M cars too and for the first time I am going backward and buying the older cars, not a fan of the more capable newer and shinier F80 M3, much rather the e92 and e46. After selling my e92 and getting the new car, ended up selling and finding a clean e92 again. People think some of us are here to bash their car, quite the contrary, I actually like the .2 GTS but prefer the .1. The effortless power is not my thing...
12-22-2017, 11:27 PM
#116
And the problem for you is not do I understand it I can calculate for every second of every lap that I do along with the amount of HP and torque nominally delivered per lap.
Last edited by randr; 12-23-2017 at 12:09 AM.
12-22-2017, 11:35 PM
#117
If i could go to the configurator and had a choice of a 450 hp NA or a 450hp FI. I would choose the N/A every day of the week. Porsche made it palpable because they added a few more hp. They know how to market. The reality is. Everybody here would get on there knees if Porsche said they are going to build a 450hp N/A with a 6 speed that will weight less than 3000 lbs and cost about 100k. I know I would.
And absolutely right. Honestly, Porsche can release ANY N/A 911 right now, at a reasonable enough price, and it'll be in such demand that it'd be nearly impossible to get an allocation and/or not pay markup for some time to come. That says everything.
People can keep their data charts and tenths of seconds in races that I'd never engage in, I like going for what puts a bigger smile on my face.
12-22-2017, 11:37 PM
#118
Quality - seriously, go and enjoy your 991.1. You may have opinions on the 991.2 - based on a couple of test drives but don't lecture me, as an owner, that you have any meaningful insights. I know you don't and haven't in this regard. Opinion and insight are very different things.
Porsche know exactly what the demand is for NA Porsches. A lot of people were looking at other options in terms of price/performance trade off. That is one of the reasons they turbocharged the Carrera line - hence "Porsche Ever Ahead" for the 991.2. People want more than loud noise out of their performance cars and Porsche well and truly understand this.
I know quite a few people that have opted out of 991 GT3s due to a number of concerns that range from reliability, to not moving the game on - these people have moved on to 488 GTBs, GT - Rs and McLarens - many, but not all, have retained older Porsche sports cars as well (indeed I fall into the latter group).
Porsche know exactly what the demand is for NA Porsches. A lot of people were looking at other options in terms of price/performance trade off. That is one of the reasons they turbocharged the Carrera line - hence "Porsche Ever Ahead" for the 991.2. People want more than loud noise out of their performance cars and Porsche well and truly understand this.
I know quite a few people that have opted out of 991 GT3s due to a number of concerns that range from reliability, to not moving the game on - these people have moved on to 488 GTBs, GT - Rs and McLarens - many, but not all, have retained older Porsche sports cars as well (indeed I fall into the latter group).
Last edited by randr; 12-23-2017 at 12:00 AM.
12-22-2017, 11:41 PM
#119
Quality - seriously, go and enjoy your 991.1. You may have opinions on the 991.2 - based on a couple of test drives but don't lecture me, as an owner, that you have any meaningful insights. I know you don't and haven't in this regard. Opinion and insight are very different things.
Whatever makes you sleep better at night, chief.
12-22-2017, 11:47 PM
#120
Porsche know exactly what the demand is for NA Porsches. A lot of people were looking at other options in terms of price/performance trade off. That is one of the reasons they turbocharged the Carrera line. People want more than noise out of their performance cars and Porsche well and truly understand this.
But hey, randr knows all.
Keep sippin' that kool tea though, it's doing wonders for your critical thinking.