Thoughts on the new Tesla Roadster
11-18-2017, 11:32 AM
#46
Couldn't agree more - I mean, what are the emissions of making each of these batteries, and charging them, and in this supposed future where every single car has a massive battery, how will all these get disposed of/recycled?
11-18-2017, 12:55 PM
#47
Originally Posted by K-A
The car enthusiast in me is not interested.
The engineering enthusiast in me is impressed.
The TSLA owner in me hopes Elon collects that $$$$.
The engineering enthusiast in me is impressed.
The TSLA owner in me hopes Elon collects that $$$$.
Either you’re a car guy or want Tesla to collect....
11-18-2017, 01:23 PM
#48
The 0-60, 0-100, range numbers are legit. Tesla doesn't over-claim the numbers. If any, they underclaim the numbers. They can engineer the battery for even greater power output.
It's the time that it takes to get the cars into production. Tesla always fail to meet production deadline.
Of course Tesla cant handle or corner like Porsche or BMW. If it does, there would be no point to buy BMW or Porsche.
I personally think Internal combustion engines are on it's way out in 10 or 20 years. Nothing can stop the trend towards electrification of cars.
0-60 is still an important measurement. I would care if i spend over 100k and get beat by 2 seconds.
Quarter mile is 8.8 sec. reminds me of first fast and furious movie where Van Diesel mentioned 10-sec car. LOL.
992 might be last generation with full ICE engines . Just my take.
It's the time that it takes to get the cars into production. Tesla always fail to meet production deadline.
Of course Tesla cant handle or corner like Porsche or BMW. If it does, there would be no point to buy BMW or Porsche.
I personally think Internal combustion engines are on it's way out in 10 or 20 years. Nothing can stop the trend towards electrification of cars.
0-60 is still an important measurement. I would care if i spend over 100k and get beat by 2 seconds.
Quarter mile is 8.8 sec. reminds me of first fast and furious movie where Van Diesel mentioned 10-sec car. LOL.
992 might be last generation with full ICE engines . Just my take.
11-18-2017, 02:18 PM
#49
Not sure if 0-60 in 1.9s (on street tyres) passes a smell test. That's 1.4g, which means 0-60mph in 25m. Shortest 60-0 braking distances on street tyres are 27-28m, and I don't see why longitudinal acceleration should be asymmetric. Power is not the issue. Slicks and some downforce might do the trick.
11-18-2017, 02:24 PM
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Time will tell
We'll see when it actually ships. $250K is out of my price range anyway, so I'm not too terribly concerned about how it will affect me personally. There's room in the world for a variety of directions for the future. Personally I'm glad to see an electric sports car; not yet another sedan or boring commuter-mobile.
But 2020 is awhile away and a lot can happen both in the market and to Tesla during that time. The Model 3 has yet to ship in quantity and there's a whole lot of people they need to satisfy first...
But 2020 is awhile away and a lot can happen both in the market and to Tesla during that time. The Model 3 has yet to ship in quantity and there's a whole lot of people they need to satisfy first...
11-18-2017, 03:48 PM
#52
11-18-2017, 04:04 PM
#53
This is just one result I found in a quick google search:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/a...ling_batteries
11-18-2017, 06:06 PM
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11-18-2017, 09:47 PM
#56
Race Director
Due to begin deliveries in 2020. You need to put down a $50K deposit towards the $200K price unless you want one of the 1st 1000.
For the 1st 1000 the cost is $250K. You pay via a $5K credit card charge with the $245K to follow as a bank wire transfer within 10 days.
Might be interesting to note (according to what I read in Barron's) Tesla is burning $1.5B in cash every quarter and as of September it has just $3.5B of cash ("unrestricted cash") on hand.
$200K let alone $250K is a lot of money to bet Tesla being able to deliver the roadster come 2020.
For the 1st 1000 the cost is $250K. You pay via a $5K credit card charge with the $245K to follow as a bank wire transfer within 10 days.
Might be interesting to note (according to what I read in Barron's) Tesla is burning $1.5B in cash every quarter and as of September it has just $3.5B of cash ("unrestricted cash") on hand.
$200K let alone $250K is a lot of money to bet Tesla being able to deliver the roadster come 2020.
11-19-2017, 02:56 AM
#58
Burning Brakes
This is what is uppermost in my mind. Not that it's an electric sports car, I'm all for owning one of those, it's that it's built by Tesla, and they shaved corners on the Model S to the point where it can't handle the thermal load of a full lap. It's not an intrinsic limitation of electric cars, it's Tesla's engineering compromises.
The price is too high, of course. I think I might find myself torn if it were priced in the $100k-$150k range, though I'd still have a nagging doubt about it because of Tesla's build quality issues. It will have one major advantage over the Mission E, the Supercharger network. Porsche is not going to build one of their own, and I don't see them paying Tesla to buy into Tesla's.
As for the many knee-jerk responses in this thread... it's Rennlist. At this point, I've reconciled myself to the idea that this board is ridiculously resistant to change, period.
The price is too high, of course. I think I might find myself torn if it were priced in the $100k-$150k range, though I'd still have a nagging doubt about it because of Tesla's build quality issues. It will have one major advantage over the Mission E, the Supercharger network. Porsche is not going to build one of their own, and I don't see them paying Tesla to buy into Tesla's.
As for the many knee-jerk responses in this thread... it's Rennlist. At this point, I've reconciled myself to the idea that this board is ridiculously resistant to change, period.
11-19-2017, 03:03 AM
#59
Burning Brakes
The other worry is that pedestrians will not be able to cope with a car that fast and yet virtually silent. Could sneak up on a lot of people.
11-19-2017, 03:06 AM
#60
I haven’t ridden in one of the hyper speed Tesla’s, but I’ve heard that the sensation of insane acceleration isn’t very gratifying, because (as they put it) unlike a gas engine where you can hear it whilst feel the power come on in a line that isn’t sidewalk flat, EV hyper acceleration feels more like reverse braking. I.e just brutal G forces in the same unpleasant way you feel when stomping on the brakes. Imagine sub 2 seconds.