Keyless warning
10-03-2017, 03:49 PM
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Keyless warning
Thieves have been using some technology like that described in the below link to enter cars in my driveway and around my neighborhood. Happened to my wife's car last night. From outside your house, they hack your key fob by amplifying the signal your fob is emitting as it's simply sitting there unused inside your house. If you have a keyless entry and drive, it can also be used to steal your car. My car wasn't stolen, but I'm now freaked out about it and wish I hadn't ordered that option. I have to buy a signal blocking pouch and remember to store my keys there every night--which is more of a pain than it would have been for me just to use the key fob in the ignition to start the car. Just a word of warning to those placing orders. This type of theft is only likely to become more widespread.
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-p...can-steal-car/
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-p...can-steal-car/
Last edited by Jzips; 10-03-2017 at 06:53 PM.
10-03-2017, 04:18 PM
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Thiefs have been using some technology like that described in the below link to enter cars in my driveway and around my neighborhood. Happened to my wife's car last night. From outside your house, they hack your key fob by amplifying the signal your fob is emitting as it's simply sitting there unused inside your house. If you have a keyless entry and drive, it can also be used to steal your car. My car wasn't stolen, but I'm now freaked out about it and wish I hadn't ordered that option. I have to buy a signal blocking pouch and remember to store my keys there every night--which is more of a pain than it would have been for me just to use the key fob in the ignition to start the car. Just a word of warning to those placing orders. This type of theft is only likely to become more widespread.
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-p...can-steal-car/
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-p...can-steal-car/
It also requires two steps, steal the unlock signal (the next time you unlock the car), then come back to use that signal when you next lock the car and walk away. Both steps would require someone to be a few feet away from your key fob.
Even if Porsche was one of the vehicles that was susceptible to this type of hack (the German article does not include Porsche among the 24 European cars that were hacked), the above scenario is difficult to duplicate in real life. Not saying it could never happen, but it is impractical and dependent on the right set of circumstances. It would be easier for a thief to just tow your Porsche away.
The hack that may be occurring in your neighborhood is likely a different, and much easier way to crack into a car because it only requires one transmitter, and does not require being near the key fob. The downside is it is not likely to work on newer vehicles. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/s...c-thieves.html
10-03-2017, 04:28 PM
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I've seen a bit of this in more public scenarios where the thieves stay within a decent range of people walking back to their cars in a parking lot, but I've never seen it in a neighborhood. Seems too situational (as described above) to not be noticed. Interesting to hear the account.
I appreciate you sending along the information. While I think most people will accept the risk for the ease of use, I'm sure it'll be helpful to someone looking to place an order.
For what it's worth, I took it off of my order... then again, I do security for a living, so I come a bit more paranoid than the average joe.
I appreciate you sending along the information. While I think most people will accept the risk for the ease of use, I'm sure it'll be helpful to someone looking to place an order.
For what it's worth, I took it off of my order... then again, I do security for a living, so I come a bit more paranoid than the average joe.
10-03-2017, 04:35 PM
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Even if Porsche was one of the vehicles that was susceptible to this type of hack (the German article does not include Porsche among the 24 European cars that were hacked), the above scenario is difficult to duplicate in real life. Not saying it could never happen, but it is impractical and dependent on the right set of circumstances. It would be easier for a thief to just tow your Porsche away.
10-03-2017, 05:30 PM
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I just can't go through life worrying about every potential problem. I just use common sense (lock my car, park in a garage, park in safe places, live in safe places) and maintain and purchase quality insurance. If it happens, it sucks, but I'll move on. I have BIGGER fish to fry.
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10-03-2017, 06:10 PM
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This requires two devices, one within a few feet of your car, and the other (appears to be a laptop in the video), a few feet from your key fob.
It also requires two steps, steal the unlock signal (the next time you unlock the car), then come back to use that signal when you next lock the car and walk away. Both steps would require someone to be a few feet away from your key fob.
Even if Porsche was one of the vehicles that was susceptible to this type of hack (the German article does not include Porsche among the 24 European cars that were hacked), the above scenario is difficult to duplicate in real life. Not saying it could never happen, but it is impractical and dependent on the right set of circumstances. It would be easier for a thief to just tow your Porsche away.
The hack that may be occurring in your neighborhood is likely a different, and much easier way to crack into a car because it only requires one transmitter, and does not require being near the key fob. The downside is it is not likely to work on newer vehicles. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/s...c-thieves.html
It also requires two steps, steal the unlock signal (the next time you unlock the car), then come back to use that signal when you next lock the car and walk away. Both steps would require someone to be a few feet away from your key fob.
Even if Porsche was one of the vehicles that was susceptible to this type of hack (the German article does not include Porsche among the 24 European cars that were hacked), the above scenario is difficult to duplicate in real life. Not saying it could never happen, but it is impractical and dependent on the right set of circumstances. It would be easier for a thief to just tow your Porsche away.
The hack that may be occurring in your neighborhood is likely a different, and much easier way to crack into a car because it only requires one transmitter, and does not require being near the key fob. The downside is it is not likely to work on newer vehicles. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/s...c-thieves.html
Really no steps needed and if they can capture the transponder info and code scheme, they don't need the fob any more.
10-03-2017, 07:23 PM
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10-03-2017, 07:32 PM
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I just can't go through life worrying about every potential problem. I just use common sense (lock my car, park in a garage, park in safe places, live in safe places) and maintain and purchase quality insurance. If it happens, it sucks, but I'll move on. I have BIGGER fish to fry.
10-03-2017, 10:21 PM
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Just found this and followed the procedure. Now if those f-cks get in my car they can't start it without the physical key fob (at least I think so). So they can steal my f-cking iPhone cable or the coins in my ashtray, but not my car.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-easy-way.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-easy-way.html
