Any regrets upgrading from NA to Turbo
08-20-2017 | 01:07 PM
#140
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But after building a super fast 991.2, one could definitely install racing seats, harness, cage, GT3 control arms etc -- if money is no object. Poor man's GT2RS I guess. Numbers would rack up quickly though.
08-20-2017 | 01:18 PM
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LOL, you boys are gonna get schooled at the track one day. Racing your magazine articles....<tsk>
Here's a true story. I was Instructing at a HPDE event at Summit Point, Shenandoah Circuit. Two guys I didn't know pulled up in their trailered GT3's all set up for track work with sticky tires, livery, HANS devices and Sparco color-coded racing suits. They were instructors, too. The brought some serious hardware to play with, and i made a mental note to give them room during the Instructor session and watch my mirrors - they were likely to barnstorm the entire Instructor cadre and there was no point in hindering them. Frankly, i thought their cars would be far too fast to run with the rest of the Instructors.
By the third lap of the first Instructor session I passed them both and they never caught up . My car at the time was a 100% stock Boxster S on street tires. And that Boxster never broke.
Here's a true story. I was Instructing at a HPDE event at Summit Point, Shenandoah Circuit. Two guys I didn't know pulled up in their trailered GT3's all set up for track work with sticky tires, livery, HANS devices and Sparco color-coded racing suits. They were instructors, too. The brought some serious hardware to play with, and i made a mental note to give them room during the Instructor session and watch my mirrors - they were likely to barnstorm the entire Instructor cadre and there was no point in hindering them. Frankly, i thought their cars would be far too fast to run with the rest of the Instructors.
By the third lap of the first Instructor session I passed them both and they never caught up . My car at the time was a 100% stock Boxster S on street tires. And that Boxster never broke.
Every now and then though the people w gear also happen to have skill, and then it's no contest - as you've kind of expected in the beginning I guess, when you made that mental note. I'm not sure what's up w this negative correlation of gear and skill though. It must be related to how the more "real" guys build their skills the hard way, learn their way through tracking air cooled cars/944s etc me thinks.
I'm surprised you can run street tire in instructor run group btw. Congrats on holding that frontier. I did a few passenger rides w instructors and in our region it seems like you'd have a tough time without Hoosiers. People were hauling.
08-20-2017 | 01:32 PM
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08-20-2017 | 01:59 PM
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Camaros, Corvettes and Cadillacs. Ugh, officially the dumb troll thread now I am bowing out.
It is clear the .2 cars have brought out the "most hp wins" crowd. Sad but change is inevitable.
It is clear the .2 cars have brought out the "most hp wins" crowd. Sad but change is inevitable.
08-20-2017 | 02:59 PM
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The good news is, eventually as newer cars come out those people will move on and we'll be left with people who appreciate the .2 for the things that are really worth talking about like the suspension updates.
08-20-2017 | 03:01 PM
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Inevitable, time marches on.
08-20-2017 | 03:02 PM
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To all you folks with the real serious attitudes of .1 vs .2, when the dogs come out- I think we're done. For the record- this .2 owner could have gone either way. Just how the cards were dealt and I'm happy with how it turned out.
08-20-2017 | 03:03 PM
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Agreed on suspension. I'd take my previous .1 engine and happily drop it into my .2. Thank you very much.
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08-20-2017 | 04:58 PM
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From: Where aspirations are natural
Let's put this to rest.... if the turbo platform was so magical, then why is the new GT3 an in house 4.0 naturally aspirated engine? An in house move to make a limited production engine is very expensive. We've discussed how "easy" it is to make GT3 level power with the 3.0 turbo engine. Why wouldn't Porsche just do that? It would be cheaper and have way more torque.
Stop bench racing and get out to drive your car. People on this forum aren't impressed with how new yourcar is. If you like the turbo - get it. If you like to drive get the 991.1.
Stop bench racing and get out to drive your car. People on this forum aren't impressed with how new yourcar is. If you like the turbo - get it. If you like to drive get the 991.1.
The point I was making is that while we all agree power is more easily made and readily available - there are reasons Porsche spent so much $$$ on a low torque, high revving, naturally aspirated engine on the new GT3. If everything about the turbo platform was so superior and cut and dry then you'd also see a boosted GT3. Cause boost is faster - right? So why not make the Gt3 faster if magazine stats were all anyone cared about.
Nobody thinks their non GT3 is a GT car nor have they ever stated such a thing.
Also - I'd rather drive an S2000 than a new mustang - the mustang is clearly faster.
Lastly - There is a reason that Miata's are the #1 most raced cars in the world.... it's not because they are really fast 0-60.
