Advice from the 991.2 TT / TTS Brain-Trust (that is you!)
02-02-2017, 06:13 PM
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Thanks Hothonda for that article.
I did find the following thread which is VERY detailed regarding PCCBs and track days. Some good and very technical info for anyone wanted to dig into more data. This is from 2015 and seems to reference major improvements in the Gen 3 PCCBs which I assume are on all of the 991.2 TTS: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...ck-thread.html
I did find the following thread which is VERY detailed regarding PCCBs and track days. Some good and very technical info for anyone wanted to dig into more data. This is from 2015 and seems to reference major improvements in the Gen 3 PCCBs which I assume are on all of the 991.2 TTS: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...ck-thread.html
02-02-2017, 06:36 PM
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Interesting discussion, I'm probably on the verge of ordering a new turbo, my 997tt is 10 years old and still going strong. I won't be replacing, but adding to the garage. Keeping my 997.1 because last I heard they weren't making them like that anymore.
If you want the PCCBs then go for the TTS. There are brake companies (Gyrodisc sp) that make replacement steel rotors and you keep the yellow calipers. But fwiw, I change brake pads frequently and still on my original big Red rotors, including lots of track days.
CL wheels look cool. If you have the tool it's not a big deal.
TT vs TTS. This is a tough one, for about a 30k delta you get 40hp and all the additional options. I'd tend to get the S and leave it stock. But if you like to modify, a simple flash and exhaust will bring the TT up to and past a stock TTS. For a lot less than $30k.
If you want the PCCBs then go for the TTS. There are brake companies (Gyrodisc sp) that make replacement steel rotors and you keep the yellow calipers. But fwiw, I change brake pads frequently and still on my original big Red rotors, including lots of track days.
CL wheels look cool. If you have the tool it's not a big deal.
TT vs TTS. This is a tough one, for about a 30k delta you get 40hp and all the additional options. I'd tend to get the S and leave it stock. But if you like to modify, a simple flash and exhaust will bring the TT up to and past a stock TTS. For a lot less than $30k.
02-02-2017, 06:46 PM
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02-02-2017, 07:34 PM
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3rd car, weekend car, maybe the occasional track car but definitely not any major dedicated track time.... I want the Turbo S, for the extra horsepower and some of the goodies, and that S badge....
1) PCCB
2) Centerlock Wheels
2a) If I found a car on the lot that I liked with CLs, is it a relatively easy process to switch back to 5-lug wheels?
3) If I don't really care for the two items above, am I starting to seriously negate the value of the Turbo S over the Turbo?
4) Based upon other forum posts, I gather the time from order to delivery could be as short as 4 months or up to 12 months or more - you guys think 6 months is a relatively good educated guess on order-to-delivery time?
4a) discount
3rd car, weekend car, maybe the occasional track car but definitely not any major dedicated track time.... I want the Turbo S, for the extra horsepower and some of the goodies, and that S badge....
1) PCCB
2) Centerlock Wheels
2a) If I found a car on the lot that I liked with CLs, is it a relatively easy process to switch back to 5-lug wheels?
3) If I don't really care for the two items above, am I starting to seriously negate the value of the Turbo S over the Turbo?
4) Based upon other forum posts, I gather the time from order to delivery could be as short as 4 months or up to 12 months or more - you guys think 6 months is a relatively good educated guess on order-to-delivery time?
4a) discount
2) They're a bit of extra work no matter how you slice it. The advantages are primarily aesthetic. Because of that, you know if and how much they appeal to you. Aftermarket wheels can be a good way to go too.
3) Yes, that's pretty accurate. I ordered a turbo and am very happy with it. If I want more power later on I can use the aftermarket to get as much as I'd like.
4) 4-6 months I'd guess. Usually they'll beat their commitment dates but you don't have a date so there are a lot of variables right now.
4a) Not sure the number at this point, but if you cast a broad net and consider cars that are on the floor you'll get a better discount.
Sounds like you've already concluded this, but if it would grate at you to not have the "S," just spend 10% more and get the S.
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Water under the bridge as OP is going for the S.
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02-03-2017, 11:59 AM
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Interesting discussion, I'm probably on the verge of ordering a new turbo, my 997tt is 10 years old and still going strong. I won't be replacing, but adding to the garage. Keeping my 997.1 because last I heard they weren't making them like that anymore.
If you want the PCCBs then go for the TTS. There are brake companies (Gyrodisc sp) that make replacement steel rotors and you keep the yellow calipers. But fwiw, I change brake pads frequently and still on my original big Red rotors, including lots of track days.
CL wheels look cool. If you have the tool it's not a big deal.
TT vs TTS. This is a tough one, for about a 30k delta you get 40hp and all the additional options. I'd tend to get the S and leave it stock. But if you like to modify, a simple flash and exhaust will bring the TT up to and past a stock TTS. For a lot less than $30k.
If you want the PCCBs then go for the TTS. There are brake companies (Gyrodisc sp) that make replacement steel rotors and you keep the yellow calipers. But fwiw, I change brake pads frequently and still on my original big Red rotors, including lots of track days.
CL wheels look cool. If you have the tool it's not a big deal.
TT vs TTS. This is a tough one, for about a 30k delta you get 40hp and all the additional options. I'd tend to get the S and leave it stock. But if you like to modify, a simple flash and exhaust will bring the TT up to and past a stock TTS. For a lot less than $30k.
1) Opinions vary. For your usage PCCBs will be cleaner and last longer. If you keep the car a long time and they wear out, plan to either purchase aftermarket rotors or convert them to steel. At full price, four OEM rotors are something like $20k.
2) They're a bit of extra work no matter how you slice it. The advantages are primarily aesthetic. Because of that, you know if and how much they appeal to you. Aftermarket wheels can be a good way to go too.
3) Yes, that's pretty accurate. I ordered a turbo and am very happy with it. If I want more power later on I can use the aftermarket to get as much as I'd like.
4) 4-6 months I'd guess. Usually they'll beat their commitment dates but you don't have a date so there are a lot of variables right now.
4a) Not sure the number at this point, but if you cast a broad net and consider cars that are on the floor you'll get a better discount.
Sounds like you've already concluded this, but if it would grate at you to not have the "S," just spend 10% more and get the S.
2) They're a bit of extra work no matter how you slice it. The advantages are primarily aesthetic. Because of that, you know if and how much they appeal to you. Aftermarket wheels can be a good way to go too.
3) Yes, that's pretty accurate. I ordered a turbo and am very happy with it. If I want more power later on I can use the aftermarket to get as much as I'd like.
4) 4-6 months I'd guess. Usually they'll beat their commitment dates but you don't have a date so there are a lot of variables right now.
4a) Not sure the number at this point, but if you cast a broad net and consider cars that are on the floor you'll get a better discount.
Sounds like you've already concluded this, but if it would grate at you to not have the "S," just spend 10% more and get the S.
Where I live in Austin, we have some great winding roads for this car but they aren't always the best surfaces so I think I would check the PDCC box on the TT and be glad it was there on the TTS. But, to your point, lived a long time without it, so not sure I would call it a "deal killer" without it.