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Old 12-11-2014 | 01:29 AM
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so now I'm upset, in the roof, imbedded inside pigment or clear 2 areas circular in shape, I don't know if its a fisheye or what, Im hoping it will fade in time with sunlight arrrgh SFD….maybe this is what PTS people had problems with on their roofs Im so frustrated I could cry
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Old 12-11-2014 | 01:33 AM
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What color is that?
Has the dealer been made aware? What was their solution?
Old 12-11-2014 | 01:37 AM
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black, just noticed today, I'll call him tomorrow arrrgh, I think PAG needs to think about issues with PTS may not be PTS may be something else in the paint shop causing issues
Old 12-11-2014 | 01:47 AM
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non PTS paint problem, roof also….maybe this is what PTS people had problems with on their roofs
Good luck with solving that problem Dark Knight! At least you are in Germany (right) and can take it back to the factory if necessary for a proper 'fix'.

Just in case others don't understand the references to PTS 'paint problems', see post 63 at link below:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...nkencar-5.html

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Can be hard to tell via photos and not seeing in person. However, from what I can see, that looks like sanding marks which would of been "put" on there by either the dealer, or most likely the panel shop at Porsche factory. Any real deatailer can polish or compound that out to make it look how it should.

If you havn't already done so, I would recommend spending the money on a very good detailer to give the paint either a 1 stage or 2 stage polish. Follow Money's Sapphire Blue Journal here on rennlist to see what corrected paint looks like. Even though its a new car, the paint won't be perfect as dealers nor porsche have the man power to be able to spend 10 hours + on perfecting the car.

Since you have black, it will really benefit from correct polishing, and produce clarity that is truely mind blowing.

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Old 12-11-2014 | 02:24 AM
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I had something like this on the roof on my 911/50. I've let it go, fearing that the solution will be worse the problem. I'll look at it again to see if it has "fixed" itself after 8 months following delivery.

I don't trust "paint repair."
Old 12-11-2014 | 08:04 AM
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I would do a couple of things. First take it to [more than one] of the best paint specialist's you can find and have them quickly write a small report about what they think the problem is, then I would take it back to the dealer to have them give you their thoughts. Only then, show them what information you have collected from other paint specialist's. Best of luck.
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Looks like it's in the clearcoat. I can apprreciate the skepticism about trying to fix this without making it worse, but in my experience an experienced paint shop can fix this.
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I had a similar problem on a newly delivered 911 years ago, which I pointed out to Tpup as well. The problem was the shipping film was apparently applied without enough time for the clear to fully harden. The blemishes appeared like raised squiggle marks beneath the paint. Whether that was the case or not, the blemishes self healed in a few days. Porsche said they might and they did. i did not intend to take delivery as it initially appeared. I only noticed them initially when inspecting the paint under the shop's fluorescent lights; which bring out most imperfections. I would not let anyone try to repair it until you give it some time.

My 3 series bimmer has a penny size hazy spot on the door. New car, just arrived at the dealer. Service contacted the BMW rep., who said to take a hair dryer to the paint on low heat from adequate distance. The rep. acknowledged, this may not be well received, but to give it a try as it had worked before. We did that and the hazy spot completely disappeared with a couple minutes. It was in the clear coat. It looked perfect.

I am by no means saying you should take a hair dryer to your paint. I am only conveying how clear coat blemishes can sometimes heal without any paint correction. The former choice above is what I hope occurs for you. That said, I would certainly explore non-repaint correction from a expert before making a final decision, however, agree with djcxxx above.
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definitely not a scratch mark or sanding mark, definitely in the clear, I'll try the hair dryer, and I am afraid the cure may be worse than the disease
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definitely not a scratch mark or sanding mark, definitely in the clear, I'll try the hair dryer, and I am afraid the cure may be worse than the disease
i would give it a few more days before the hair dryer. i would also consult with an expert before going that route. it certainly worked for me, but i would strongly suggest the consult first.
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I did a little bit of digging to see if I could find something out - from what I understand PAG has changed the clear they're using and it seems to tie up with customers experience with QC problems. The speculation is that they're pushing cars out of the factory and applying shipping film too early.

It seems the new clear needs more time to cure and as such cars with blemishes are being delivered. I'm told if you run your hand over it, pre-polish it will feel like a jelly fish. Very light wet sanding can apparently help get small amounts out but it probably will not be 100% perfect.
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
I did a little bit of digging to see if I could find something out - from what I understand PAG has changed the clear they're using and it seems to tie up with customers experience with QC problems. The speculation is that they're pushing cars out of the factory and applying shipping film too early.

It seems the new clear needs more time to cure and as such cars with blemishes are being delivered. I'm told if you run your hand over it, pre-polish it will feel like a jelly fish. Very light wet sanding can apparently help get small amounts out but it probably will not be 100% perfect.
whether they are using a different clear coat or not, I experienced a very similar issue 9 years ago.
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
I did a little bit of digging to see if I could find something out - from what I understand PAG has changed the clear they're using and it seems to tie up with customers experience with QC problems. The speculation is that they're pushing cars out of the factory and applying shipping film too early.

It seems the new clear needs more time to cure and as such cars with blemishes are being delivered. I'm told if you run your hand over it, pre-polish it will feel like a jelly fish. Very light wet sanding can apparently help get small amounts out but it probably will not be 100% perfect.
Who is telling you this? You have sources at the paint department at Zuffenhausen? Because that is whom we have to hear from to get the correct answer to this problem which is apparently happening with a few new 991's! We don't need just more 'speculation' unless they are from a solid source that is identified and is willing to be 'quoted' for the record.

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Old 12-11-2014 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dark knight
so now I'm upset, in the roof, imbedded inside pigment or clear 2 areas circular in shape, I don't know if its a fisheye or what, Im hoping it will fade in time with sunlight arrrgh SFD….maybe this is what PTS people had problems with on their roofs Im so frustrated I could cry
Dark Knight, is it a little like 'scratched'?

If so, I seem to have 2 spots like this, like someone tried to fix a problem but did a poor job.

I was going to attempt to buff them out. I'll let you know what happens. Just waiting for new pristine consummables...


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