Blowing out our 911R
07-07-2017, 06:14 PM
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The R feels very different to a GT3 or GT3 RS. The steering is much lighter, and thanks to a programme for the active rear-wheel steering, it feels faster, too. It’s super alert and almost nervous at first, while the ride is also more supple and the sense of locked-down invincibility is gone. Instead, the 911 R flows and bobs over the surface, with more of an old-school 911 vibe to it. You feel the peculiar weight distribution more keenly.
People who think the R is the last modern 911 to have this type of tuning should recognize that Porsche can choose to do it again in future cars.
07-07-2017, 06:16 PM
#287
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Originally Posted by Manifold
All valid reasons to prefer the R over other options, and pay something extra for it - just not a lot extra.
People who think the R is the last modern 911 to have this type of tuning should recognize that Porsche can choose to do it again in future cars.
People who think the R is the last modern 911 to have this type of tuning should recognize that Porsche can choose to do it again in future cars.
It's basic software. A cousin of power steering plus
Program any GT3 or RS with it and you've got the same thing. Some hack should be able to figure it out
After all, BGB put a 6 speed tranny in a RS and did all the programming!
07-07-2017, 06:27 PM
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The R feels very different to a GT3 or GT3 RS. The steering is much lighter, and thanks to a programme for the active rear-wheel steering, it feels faster, too. It’s super alert and almost nervous at first, while the ride is also more supple and the sense of locked-down invincibility is gone. Instead, the 911 R flows and bobs over the surface, with more of an old-school 911 vibe to it. You feel the peculiar weight distribution more keenly.
07-07-2017, 06:29 PM
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That's a win-win situation because we get cars that rival or surpass much more expensive exotics, while Porsche makes a healthy profit. The world would be a lesser place if Porsche didn't exist!
07-07-2017, 06:39 PM
#290
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Not just the steering though, it's also the damping and RWS tuning, and maybe other things too, all working as an integrated system. I think it's difficult for an aftermarket shop to come close to Porsche's expertise and resources for this type of tuning.
That's a win-win situation because we get cars that rival or surpass much more expensive exotics, while Porsche makes a healthy profit. The world would be a lesser place if Porsche didn't exist!
That's a win-win situation because we get cars that rival or surpass much more expensive exotics, while Porsche makes a healthy profit. The world would be a lesser place if Porsche didn't exist!
I think what it actually is wouldn't be surprising. I bet it's all software related and some minor tweaks.
Have anybody look into the part #'s by VIN between the R and RS, and you'll be hard pressed to find anything related to these areas.
07-07-2017, 06:41 PM
#291
GTFO here, nobody could ever prefer the R over a GT3 or RS! Are you insane?! I mean, wing. Don't you get it?!
Seriously, the funny thing about this thread is that, everybody, save for maybe the OP, agrees that the R's currently for sale are ridiculously overpriced. The debate is whether it's worth any premium over sticker or whether it's basically a C2S with more HP. I'm with you, though not quite as high. The R is probably the only car I'd pay a premium over sticker for, but it would still be pretty small, $20-25k max, assuming it was my perfect spec. But I don't think it's going to trade in that range for a long, long time, assuming we're not in WW III shortly, which looks more likely by the day.
Seriously, the funny thing about this thread is that, everybody, save for maybe the OP, agrees that the R's currently for sale are ridiculously overpriced. The debate is whether it's worth any premium over sticker or whether it's basically a C2S with more HP. I'm with you, though not quite as high. The R is probably the only car I'd pay a premium over sticker for, but it would still be pretty small, $20-25k max, assuming it was my perfect spec. But I don't think it's going to trade in that range for a long, long time, assuming we're not in WW III shortly, which looks more likely by the day.
I don't think in any of the 17 pages of this thread I've seen the 911 R seriously compared to a C2S let alone that being anything related to what this thread is about at all. This thread has never been about whether it's worth "any" premium over MSRP but whether it's been worth a 200k premium. Most of us clearly think it is as evidenced by people making what are semi-serious to serious offers to the seller of 250k that it's worth some premium in that range. I wouldn't be surprised if you could sell one for low to mid 300's to "someone" out there "somewhere" right now but I think prices are only on the way down as the 991.2 GT3 & RS productions ramp up.
Now you're telling us that you think it's only worth a small premium too?
So basically you've agreed with us since the beginning?
Honestly, I wish someone would compile the posts you've made in this thread -- I'm too lazy.
07-07-2017, 06:57 PM
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From that standpoint, I disagree with the statement that a car is just the sum of its parts, just as a fine gourmet meal isn't just the sum of its ingredients.
We must concede that the recipe for the R is unique and that it was created by master chefs, even if we don't think the resulting entrée justifies being double or triple the price of other entrées which many people consider to be just as appealing.
07-07-2017, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
What point can't many understand here??
The 911R is a great model.
Many don't believe it's worth what they're going for on the secondary market. At MSRP, it's attractive.
It's a valid opinion isn't it?
Much of the other stuff is entertainment. Nobody have a sense of humor?
The 911R is a great model.
Many don't believe it's worth what they're going for on the secondary market. At MSRP, it's attractive.
It's a valid opinion isn't it?
Much of the other stuff is entertainment. Nobody have a sense of humor?
07-07-2017, 07:10 PM
#294
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911R = Porsche marketing at its best
How many unique parts does it have other than a rear grille and numbered badge?
Porsche is very good at Pixie Dust marketing. It's quite genius.
How many unique parts does it have other than a rear grille and numbered badge?
Porsche is very good at Pixie Dust marketing. It's quite genius.
07-07-2017, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
No because it's worth what it's going for; not what you think it should go for. And by the way, i don't even like the R.
I could care less what they're asking for one or what someone is willing to pay for it. It's their money. Just stating my opinion on what I personally think it's worth and where it's going.
07-07-2017, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
I could care less what they're asking for one or what someone is willing to pay for it. It's their money. Just stating my opinion on what I personally think it's worth and where it's going.
07-07-2017, 07:25 PM
#297
Just like your man Jethro Bovingdon, whose quote it was that I used.
That was when "The outrageously addictive Porsche 911 R lives up to all the hype" according to his review. Before he needed some cheap publicity.
Just shows that car journalists seek controversy and page views - who would have thought?
I'm bowing out of this thread now. No-one as far as I can see (since the OP), is trying to talk up the value of the R. Just its attributes, which I maintain are worthy of the hype. Two separate issues. There are multiple people I know who own and are driving R's, because that's what they are for, and we own them because we've done the same with similar cars for years.
Some of you seem determined to spend time talking down values and other people's cars, and can't separate the issues.
Here's Jethro B's full review, to save you having to google.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...-r-2016-review
07-07-2017, 07:25 PM
#298
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Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
We can agree on one thing: you've said some funny and entertaining stuff on this thread. That's a compliment.
Thanks, the subject has been beat to death for me. I am out of here. Have a good weekend
07-07-2017, 07:33 PM
#299
Cool story.
Just like your man Jethro Bovingdon, whose quote it was that I used.
That was when "The outrageously addictive Porsche 911 R lives up to all the hype" according to his review. Before he needed some cheap publicity.
Just shows that car journalists seek controversy and page views - who would have thought?
I'm bowing out of this thread now. No-one as far as I can see (since the OP), is trying to talk up the value of the R. Just its attributes, which I maintain are worthy of the hype. Two separate issues. There are multiple people I know who own and are driving R's, because that's what they are for, and we own them because we've done the same with similar cars for years.
Some of you seem determined to spend time talking down values and other people's cars, and can't separate the issues.
Here's Jethro T's full review, to save you having to google.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...-r-2016-review
Just like your man Jethro Bovingdon, whose quote it was that I used.
That was when "The outrageously addictive Porsche 911 R lives up to all the hype" according to his review. Before he needed some cheap publicity.
Just shows that car journalists seek controversy and page views - who would have thought?
I'm bowing out of this thread now. No-one as far as I can see (since the OP), is trying to talk up the value of the R. Just its attributes, which I maintain are worthy of the hype. Two separate issues. There are multiple people I know who own and are driving R's, because that's what they are for, and we own them because we've done the same with similar cars for years.
Some of you seem determined to spend time talking down values and other people's cars, and can't separate the issues.
Here's Jethro T's full review, to save you having to google.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...-r-2016-review
I'm sure the R did live up to its hype as a ~200k vehicle. No doubt that's how he reviewed it when he made the video you posted.
Why would I need to review his old video to think he liked the car and it was worth the hype at 200k -- I do too?
It's almost like all the guys that originally got the 911 R flipped it to make a fantastic deal and the guys that got bent over paying the ADM or (AFM) are fighting tooth and nail to tell the rest of us how wrong we are
Show me the video where he tells people to go out and pay double the MSRP and you might have something I'm interested in reviewing
No-one as far as I can see (since the OP), is trying to talk up the value of the R. Just its attributes, which I maintain are worthy of the hype. Two separate issues.
Show me where the people in this thread are saying the R isn't worth MSRP or even a reasonable premium above it? Did a single person say that?
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07-07-2017, 09:08 PM
#300
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A few comments:
Footsoldier I applaud you for driving your R and enjoying it - A 1.63 G's is absolutely impressive to me for a street car.
Brewster Green was an awesome choice and the way you spec'ed the car was classy, a beautiful example.
Enjoy that beautiful car in good health.