Petevb

Lol. Data is collected through testing and manufactures sand-bag hugely, as Ford and Ferrari did last year. The lobbying effort is convincing them the data is legit when in fact they are testing at nowhere near their full potential.

randr

Agreed, I believe the BoP algorithm is meant to place the cars within .2 seconds or perhaps .3 seconds per lap of one another, of course this is a huge margin if your car is always .2 seconds slower. Which data is used and how the BoP corrections are applied are pivotal to the race outcome. He who controls the algorithm controls the outcome.

Operational, lets call it "dynamic range or adjustable range" in key areas, e.g. aero or engine performance allows for maximum flexibility in this regard - moreover, having this flexibility with a race series covering a diverse range of circuits is essential (hilly, flat, technichal, "fast", hot)

Also agreed, torque tends to win races - it works for you out of every corner and up every hill (whether it be developed by electric motors, displacement or turbos).

In WEC GT - Porsche remain last.

Just in time

For those interested in understanding BOP rules please read this page and a half memo that delineates the current rules. As you will see BOP is now an automatic adjustment calculated via an algorithm with no human intervention.

http://www.fia.com/file/55048/download?token=fvnkW2pU

Guest89

In WEC only; IMSA BOP is still influenced by politics.

JasonAndreas

Just got back from Lime Rock and I have to say the BOP worked.

Just in time

Maybe FSW is becoming politically savvy.

randr

"As the cars are based on production models, they are fundamentally different from each other and
the performance of each is adjusted to allow each car model to be competitive." BOP 2017.

With a straight face - can anybody tell me which production car the RSR is based on................

Whoopsy

Cayman

randr

^^^^

Nizer

Guys bad mouthing the RSR are missing the plot; essentially saying Porsche engineers looked at the regs and made a fundamental error not going turbo. Wrong.

FWIW, Porsche race engineers are supporters of BOP. Their view is that if cars are equal they will win on superior strategy, execution, driving, durability, and experience. Witness the results this weekend after the RSR's were granted a 10kg weight reduction and 1mm restrictor increase.

Guest89

I've had enough of this (willful) ignorance every time this topic is discussed. The GT3 RS is the homologation vehicle.

Read the GTE rule book before you try to showcase how "clever" you are:

Location: As original
Position: Free
Orientation: Free but must respect original orientation (ie longitudinal vs transverse)

The engine is behind the driver and has been rotated 180 degrees. It requires no waiver and fully conforms to the rules.

randr

BTW - that comment was tongue in cheek but never mind.

And I know that - its a Cayman layout - its not a 911 layout - get over it (of course this won't stop Porsche marketing)

The results are the results Nizer - its a car, and its not winning - therefore they are not getting it right. The rules are the same for everyone and team Porsche is dead set last in WEC GT. The cars that are winning have more flexibility. Period.

Get your collective heads out of the sand. Confront the facts and deal with them.

Nizer

Whatever you say....

Porsche perfect in IMSA Lime Rock sweep
Saturday, 22 July 2017
By Marshall Pruett / Images by Gavin Baker, Richard Dole/LAT

https://www.racer.com/imsa/item/1425...imsa-lime-rock

randr

No its not what I say - Its what the WEC GT rankings say - Team Porsche is dead set last.

If the team is last, then its not performing as well as the other teams. The bottom placed teams are running NA cars the top two teams are running FI cars.

Not interested in IMSA.

Nizer

Somebody needs to tell the Lime Rock stewards that Porsche lost and the turbo guys won. Guess the only question now is whether to give the win to Ford or BMW....