fun2k

Good thing porsche makes a lot of cars and they manage to sell all of them.
From past ownership experience between 997.2 gt3,991 gt3 and rs i had the most fun in the 997.2 gt3. Now i'm not saying the car was perfect, far from it the new cars solved the understeer and long gearing(the old one felt smaller and much stiffer) of the previous car but it didn't offer more driver involvement on the road. But i also remember it wasn't any fun in traffic but always enjoyed it in the "just escaped from alcatraz" mode
A lot of that depends on the roads you have available and the way you drive so your experiences will always differ.

Hoping the new car will have the best of both worlds less understeer,more torque , lower gearing, more revs, and more grip,slightly softer clutch and ofcoarse short shift manual box. What more can one ask for?
Oh yes i would add a lot more torque and call it the best drivers car ever made period.

drdonger

C.J. Ichiban

Some people genuinely prefer a brand new car to a one year old car. That's their choice.

Some people like bigger wings. Choice.

Some people like rarity for bragging rights. Choice.

We are not comparing a GT3 or an RS to a camry.

The new GT3 will have better tires, better rear steering algorithm and potentially a stick shift.

The 16 RS has more aero grip, bigger tires (which are upgradable as compounds evolve) and the option for a radio delete.

500hp is the same either way. 4.0L same. Same enough in that regard PDK to PDK.

All new cars are mandatory radio/ backup camera after a certain model year.

RS does have more trick bits.

The NEXT RS I'm sure will be great.

With ADM BS happening, I would not pay ADM on a GT3 because you will never see that recover. There is always a split in value for GT3 vs RS long term. Look at 997.1. It's 50-200k gap between super similar examples of GT3 to RS. It will always be that way as the RS is more of a long term deal.

997.2 is the same.
991.1 will be the same. The RS will stay around MSRP or 200k or whatever you want to call it.

CAlexio

Unless manual was desired, old RS would be the one to purchase above new GT3. But manual is desired

Drifting

Agree. The value construct that CJ described is absolutely correct for 997 GT cars. However, a manual 991.2 GT3 will hold its value much closer to a 991.2 RS, if the 991.2 RS is PDK only as we all expect.

If the 992 RS goes turbo and continues to be PDK only, while the 992 GT3 remains the "drivers car" of the 911 variants, continuing with a NA engine and manual transmission, I could see the 992 GT3 holding its value even better than a turbo 992 RS.

drdonger

Exactly how I feel. If I wanted PDK I would get a 991.1 RS, but I want a manual.

997rs4.0

Agree on most points. Just worried about all the speculating with RS prices.

Historically a value of a car is determined by rarity, specialness and sometimes failure. (BMW Z8 is one of them, 996rs is another one)

Maybe the 991.1rs can stay valuable because of the RS badge.

It's biggest challenge is that all these cars are built during great financial times and therefore in far greater numbers than before.
It's also way better than previous models on the road and another reason to it's sales success.
The second challenge is the question mark on the engine.
I would personally have no problem buying an RS because of the small number of incidents.

Even the 997rs4.0 have had its issues with engines. So for reliability a 997.2rs would probably be better than 4.0.

A 991.1rs feels more reliable than a 991.1gt3 so that's a plus.
We have yet to see how reliable the new 991.2gt3 will be. Historically the gen 2 is more reliable than gen1. However this new engine has a lot of new parts. So we just have to wait and see.

One problem is that a lot of buyers bought the 991rs because it was a no brainer.
That's probably one of the reasons why we see so many posts trying to defend my car. And wise versa that some try to rub it in.
Remember all the talk about last N/A and last of this. Some even said it would be produced in 500-600 units for the US.

Enjoy the cars, they are amazing and if they end up being collectible it's a bonus.

fxz

That s why ppl are also ordering PDK .2 GT3 instead of old RS...

Waxer

CJ: Good points but you knew that already.

So...basically it comes down to....wait for it.....waaaait for it....wait for it...








RS is RS.

Drifting

LOL, did you miss the posts by 997rs4.0 and myself?

RS is certainly RS for the 997 generation, but a 991 RS is unfortunately less special and long-term is less likely to hold value as well as the 997 RS because Porsche made so many more 991 RSs. Also with the 991.2 generation, a manual GT3 will hold value a lot more than it used to compared to the RS, now that the .2 RS is PDK only.

RS used to be RS because it was the definitively the best street legal trackable drivers car that Porsche made for the 996 and 997 generations. Now with the manual .2 GT3 and PDK-only .2 RS, that definition will change for some (not all) GT car owners.

C.J. Ichiban

Guys- cars will only hold value if they are bubble wrapped. Sorry to say it but none of these cars is inherently rare. Once you break 1500 units it is just another car.

If you slap 20 sets of tires on your track beater Gt3 / RS you will not have a "top dollar" car.

Solution: keep one pristine and beat the **** out of the other one.

For "max future value"
If you have one already- decide to bubble it or beat it down.

If you have one coming in, same decision.


Mooty and I both drive our cars a lot. So we are sick in the head. But I will tell you if your car has too many miles or rock chips then the collector type horizon changes drastically.

Martin and I spoke about this also. In order for a car's mileage to not matter it has to be at least 15 years old. How many of you are going to hold onto this car for 25 years?

RealityGT

^Collective hearts are breaking 'cus of your post CJ...

WernerE

15 years or 25? Agree that 991.1 GT3 cars are not rare and this will pressure the "collector" status. The rare 997.2 RS is 20 years old and bubble wrapped cars can bring $700k or more.

GrantG

Aren't those less than 8 years old now?

WernerE

Yes - my error in referencing the 997 model. Reminder to self: Don't post until after 8am. It does make the point that Special + Rare + Low Miles is a lottery ticket, regardless of age.