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Old 05-02-2017 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by COTA1
"Better" well that is subjective

I think you meant faster by .2? Ferrari is faster than all Porsches, but I'd rather have a RS over 488.

That is until a video comes out in the future showing something different--or maybe not.

If I made a living on the track that might mean something to me, but I don't (like 99% of GT3 (or RS) owners.

So with that said, yeah I'll still stick with RS.
Did you read the thread title before posting?
It's a .2 GT3 review thread.. Nobody said anything about Ferrari.. and you don't have to justify your RS purchase..
RS is RS.....
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:00 AM
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I think the video demonstrates just how much Porsche "GT" cars punch above their belts and why we covet these cars. It is like the David and Goliath
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:06 AM
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The interesting thing about the .2 GT3 and .1 RS laptime comparison is that they're on identical "N1" tire compounds now (but the RS has more rubber). So, it leaves one wondering how the GT3 is quicker with more weight, less aero, and less rubber. Seems to me that the new motor has to be a significant part of the puzzle (despite published peak hp and tq specs being identical).
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Originally Posted by COTA1
I read the title yes.

I also currently own both the GT3, GT3RS and sold my GT4 (loved that car). I'm also on the list for .2 to replace my .1GT3.

I was merely stating I'd take a Porsche and in this list, and RS over a Ferrari. Why is this forum so hostile?

My god.
FWIW it's not always like this. The 991.1 vs 991.2 debate has really stirred the pot, however. I'm sure it will settle down with time though.
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The interesting thing about the .2 GT3 and .1 RS laptime comparison is that they're on identical "N1" tire compounds now (but the RS has more rubber). So, it leaves one wondering how the GT3 is quicker with more weight, less aero, and less rubber. Seems to me that the new motor has to be a significant part of the puzzle (despite published peak hp and tq specs being identical).
i think the published peak HP/torque figures are being conservative for the .2 gt3 so as to not ruffle feathers. If you add up all the we gained x hp/kw here figures that AP mentions and then add the increased capacity, it seems very unlikely they only added 25 hp total with the engine. Add to this the flatter torque curve of the .2 and the benefit the new engine gives starts to make sense.
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
I think the video demonstrates just how much Porsche "GT" cars punch above their belts and why we covet these cars. It is like the David and Goliath
^^^^^
ESA ES LA VERDÀD HOMBRE!!
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:25 AM
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Time to sell the RS...haha joking

Old 05-02-2017 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The interesting thing about the .2 GT3 and .1 RS laptime comparison is that they're on identical "N1" tire compounds now (but the RS has more rubber). So, it leaves one wondering how the GT3 is quicker with more weight, less aero, and less rubber. Seems to me that the new motor has to be a significant part of the puzzle (despite published peak hp and tq specs being identical).
Agree.
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by COTA1
I say time to sell .1 and get a .2GT3 (for manual).

Keep RS and get .2RS and sell .2GT3

That is the plan...for me.
Looks like I should have clicked back a page first...

Anyway, I'm very happy with my car but would not mind adding a wingless manual car with a GT engine if that ever happens again.
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The interesting thing about the .2 GT3 and .1 RS laptime comparison is that they're on identical "N1" tire compounds now (but the RS has more rubber). So, it leaves one wondering how the GT3 is quicker with more weight, less aero, and less rubber. Seems to me that the new motor has to be a significant part of the puzzle (despite published peak hp and tq specs being identical).
They were done by different drivers, different days etc etc. Richard Meaden was as quick in the 488 as Jethro was in a 675LT, where the 675 has been quicker in other comparisons.

I think that 991.2 GT3 size Cup 2 N1 tyres might also be different to 991.1 RS size Cup 2 N1 tyres, in terms of the compound, the RS tyres are 2 years old now, so they might have found more time in the tyres and just called it N1 as the 991.1 GT3 had N0 spec Cup 2s.

It's great watching these videos, nothing like driving a GT Porsche on track, just amazing.
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The interesting thing about the .2 GT3 and .1 RS laptime comparison is that they're on identical "N1" tire compounds now (but the RS has more rubber). So, it leaves one wondering how the GT3 is quicker with more weight, less aero, and less rubber. Seems to me that the new motor has to be a significant part of the puzzle (despite published peak hp and tq specs being identical).
So cool that its pretty much officially as fast or faster.
Cant wait for the German magazines and Ring times.

Efficiency..

Of course the new motor is better. But to overcome the down force and rubber deficit never count out Porsche GT departments (Fine tuning).

Ram air effect helping HP at high speed.

Suspension has been making leaps since the 996 The 991RS is sprung and dampened like what would have felt to me like exotic high performance rally suspension 10 years ago. even the 991 GT3 feels harder. Maybe a little more of that?

Fine tuning of the RWS programming? AP mentioned that they had made improvements since the RS.

Fine tuning of the E diff? (Not on manual of course).

Fine tuning PDKS to improve on the "shove at shift" in sport mode?

Add all the little efficiency improvements up and you get a 0.1 here and a 0. there. I can see a .2 GT3 be faster everywhere except for on the very fast sweeping corners.

Just too bad that they still haven't been able to reverse the trend on weight.
It needs to start going down again...

A boy can dream but I think the tub needs to become CF for future GT cars.

In the meanwhile I'll be on the lookout for another fat bastard 991.2RS :-)
Old 05-02-2017 | 09:46 AM
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CF wheels shouldn't be too far away..
Old 05-02-2017 | 10:07 AM
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If Ford can do CF wheels you would think Porsche could as well.
Old 05-02-2017 | 10:17 AM
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You'd think CF would be more prevalent considering its affects to MPG.
Old 05-02-2017 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Suspension has been making leaps since the 996 The 991RS is sprung and dampened like what would have felt to me like exotic high performance rally suspension 10 years ago. even the 991 GT3 feels harder. Maybe a little more of that?
My guess too - make the suspension work the tires even better.

I also think the higher redline (even if power really the same) helps by giving more push after an upshift (closer to power peak more of the time)...


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