So, what's the craziest over sticker number YOU were quoted for a .2GT3?
04-14-2017, 03:21 AM
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The LWB seat is more standard and a lot has been done, they're 7-8k, its been changing from GT4, to RS, to 911R. A lot of time you will also be surprised at your final build when your car eventually comes, because it may be different from what they quote you. Just giving you a heads up.
Love the LWBs in my GT4 and 991.1 GT3. Since Porsche been making those seat inserts since the 918 without stripes, I have some sort of idea that there's a large bin of LWB inserts w/o stripes that they could pick from.
There are still quite some GT3 build in July though, not much in August. If your dealer have already submitted a build in there system, you should ask for a V200 status that means the allocation is confirmed, then it would mean you are actually allocated in a particular month, make sure your build doesn't fall on early September or else you may not be able to option MT even when it becomes available.
04-14-2017, 03:35 AM
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Thanks for the info!
Love the LWBs in my GT4 and 991.1 GT3. Since Porsche been making those seat inserts since the 918 without stripes, I have some sort of idea that there's a large bin of LWB inserts w/o stripes that they could pick from.
Since I've got CXX, we're still waiting to hear back from Porsche regarding the requests, so no V200 until CXX has been sorted I think. Dealer says Porsche are starting PDK production earlier than MT. Others have reported similar info from dealers.
NP!
You can try asking some fellow RL members to switch inserts with you haha, I am sure a lot GT3 owners want a fresh look, and those stripe saying GT3 just might do it. You can also buy the inserts parts. Just be aware if you switch them out, your seat will not have GT3 written anywhere, including the headrest. (that's one thing I loved about the GT4 in yellow stitch)
Either way if you're going through CXX pending at V210 status, they will have a production month already set for you (just not date, but month yes). Try to find out from them, imo if you're paying over, you should get all the VIP client treatment. You deserve at least that. I get it for people buying MSRP doesn't want to bother the dealer and want to be on their "good side".
My source for manual production date doesn't come from dealer rumors and its confirmed. I just can't share it here, all I can say it steer away from early September or before for production if you're dead set on manual. Safest to take a October or November build month. It will still be easy for you to switch now because the dealer probably has not filled all their allocation yet if they are asking ADM. Once they start filling up completely and also when your CXX options is confirmed and they begin to source parts and materials for it, it will be much harder to change and very hard to push back. Anyway, before you start thinking too much just ask the dealer first which allocation month they submitted your CXX request under.
04-14-2017, 07:43 AM
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The dealer adjustments are going to look totally reasonable once the first couple of flipper cars hit the market. It's just the world we choose to participate in when buying GT cars.
04-14-2017, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rsms
Yup. I'm Swedish myself, so aware of the July-Aug industrial shutdown in Europe 
Dealer says MT production starts in Sept and best-case scenario I'm taking delivery in December; worst-case in Feb 2018. That's okay I think.Oh, really? What brings you to that rough number (just curious) ? 8k would be too much for espresso I think. <=5k would be acceptable (on top of the extra cost for the black leather package) IMHO.
Dealer says MT production starts in Sept and best-case scenario I'm taking delivery in December; worst-case in Feb 2018. That's okay I think.Oh, really? What brings you to that rough number (just curious) ? 8k would be too much for espresso I think. <=5k would be acceptable (on top of the extra cost for the black leather package) IMHO.
Originally Posted by rsms
Order is for MT, but the configurator does't have it yet. MT FOR LIFE! 
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Excellent choice! Enjoy!
04-14-2017, 03:51 PM
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Nope. Anyone who pays an ADM and then tries to flip it, is going to be sad. I'm sure dealers will be able to find a few dopes to pay $30-50k over, but the broader market isn't going to pay that. The only flip opportunity will be if the car is bought at/around MSRP. And they'll probably be lucky to make much after the tax hit.
04-14-2017, 04:57 PM
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^^^ I've yet to understand the flipping logic on these cars.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
04-14-2017, 05:08 PM
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^^^ I've yet to understand the flipping logic on these cars.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
04-14-2017, 05:16 PM
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^^^ I've yet to understand the flipping logic on these cars.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
However, even with the much higher entrance fee, after excise tax, assorted other delivery, prep fees, gas guzzler tax and income tax it seems a poor way to generate profit.
04-14-2017, 05:25 PM
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Burning Brakes
OK, this makes my feel like I'm not completely crazy!
Add to this the likelihood of getting drop-kicked off of your dealer list for future cars and this sounds like all of the components of an article entitled 'Worst Five Grand I Ever Made'
Add to this the likelihood of getting drop-kicked off of your dealer list for future cars and this sounds like all of the components of an article entitled 'Worst Five Grand I Ever Made'
04-14-2017, 05:32 PM
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04-15-2017, 04:25 AM
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Nope. Anyone who pays an ADM and then tries to flip it, is going to be sad. I'm sure dealers will be able to find a few dopes to pay $30-50k over, but the broader market isn't going to pay that. The only flip opportunity will be if the car is bought at/around MSRP. And they'll probably be lucky to make much after the tax hit.
^^^ I've yet to understand the flipping logic on these cars.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
You get hammered with sales tax when you buy and then hit up with short term cap gains if you still make anything when you sell.
I can maybe understand how it works if you have a dealer license or don't take title of the car, but other than that?
Seems like a hell of a complicated way to make a few measly grand.
Not to encourage anyone to become flippers, just FYI to understand, but flippers "done-right" don't pay sales tax.
There are too many ways to avoid sales tax especially if you're flipping it short term:
1. If you go through a lease and flip it after a month, you pay a total of $1500 between acquisition fee, monthly sales tax, and interest. As oppose to 16k worth of taxes.
2. If you have a registered LLC/holding at Montana, you pay $0 sales tax, but you pay accounting fee, and transport fee of no more than 2-3k
3. Above are most common, but there are others like registering in Oregon, dealer plates sold MSO, etc
Many people do this anyways even if they're not flipping it to save those extra money.
04-15-2017, 07:55 AM
#120
Burning Brakes
That's what I suspected... there has to be a sales tax avoidance angle.
Somebody kindly gave me a crash course in the whole Montana LLC thing a few weeks ago... Didn't feel like it was for me. But fascinating nonetheless. Most people who collect high-dollar cars seem to have a dealer or LLC angle. Many seen to move volume either deliberately or by accident so it makes sense to me in a way.