ipse dixit

What about Euro 6?

That will make keeping GT cars NA nearly impossible.

Drifting

This may be heresy to some on this board, but I can see a future for Porsche GT cars that are defined more by the experience of driving them and not by Ring times.

The current comparable turbo cars from Mclaren and Ferrari are already faster than the 991 GT cars, the 991 911 Turbo is already faster than GT cars on some tracks, and with the 992 generation, the regular turbo Carreras will likely post faster Ring times than 992 GT cars.

However, the turbo Carreras will still just be heavy, soulless, clinical, rocketships compared to the passionate, soulful, and more agile Porsche GT cars, which are 100x more fun to drive.

bccars

I have the same questions you have. I don't think they can keep the GT in front of the regular 911's without changing the recipe. How much power can you still add to the 4.0, ok maybe up to 600 bhp in a few years.
A friend of mine bought a .2 gts, that has 450 bhp, he is installing a Techart powerkit to give it 510 bhp. Where will they be in a few years ?

Maybe it is easier to shed extra weight from the GT cars instead of hybridifying them ? Bringing them closer to the actual racecars while doing so ?

fxz

Simple
ppl pay 12k for pts

40k for a 50kg rear wheels electric aid is a no brainer

50kg that can be easily shaved by that fat pig pdk

=GT3 weight the same ( -pdk weight +hybrid weight)
rear downforce kg at 124 mph is double (current .2GT3 due rear to front weight transfer unsettle when you hard brake entering a corner)
more fun for you
more margin for Pag

BrntRubber

I personally think the GT2 RS will be hybrid and the GT3 RS will be turbo. They can't make the GT2 less special than the GT3. They have to justify the higher price tag.

This is why I believe the 9991 will be the last Turbo GT2 and will go up in value. Just my $.02

fxz

Pag can survive without a GT2
not the same for the GT3..

RealityGT

The logical order would be to keep the 2RS as FI and make the GT3/RS hybrid..
Do you think the GT2/RS is less special because of its FI motor?

Gravs

This is an economics problem that there is not an obvious template for. Every car gets bigger, faster and heavier with every new model. And then after about 5 new versions there becomes room for smaller one underneath. E.g. VW Golf then Polo then Up. In U.K. Ford Escort was the biggest selling car for years, now it's the Fiesta.

But the 911 model has such brand equity that a new model won't do. A great attempt with GT4 of course but it's not a 911 replacement obviously.

They've been putting off this moment by having relatively slow evolution and recently by coming out with the chat about some cars being about driving rather than speed.

Then in parallel with that you've got emissions regs making everyone go FI or hybrid to game the system. If anything that simply accelerates the process that's already been happening as it instantly adds huge weight, which encourages people to make them faster.

The thing is that in actual fact, we don't need our sports cars to be any faster. I am genuinely not interested in a hybrid GT3 that is even 1kg heavier as I just don't need the extra speed. I want better feedback and agility.

When will this end?!!! Ideally a CF-bodied 911 weighing about 1,000kg with a NA engine that plods along on 2 cylinders unless you press the sport button when all hell breaks loose. But will that happen or will it simply keep getting bigger and heavier like everything else?!

BrntRubber

Cars are getting to heavy. Straight line performance is already to fast to enjoy on the street.

I don't think that works because the hybrid would likely outperform the turbo and cost more. New Tech, no lag, etc

BrntRubber

Porsche likes to make money. The GT2 must have the biggest margin of the entire porsche lineup, especially of produced in big numbers next time around.

fxz

is there such a big GT2 demand if not limited (not seen as an investment)?

evilfij

It seems crazy that there are 2000 (guess on production) people in the world happy to pay $300k plus for a GT2RS, but apparently there are and based on some of the ADM asks I have seen there are some who are willing to pay a lot more than $300k for one.

usctrojanGT3

Yup, someone called my SA and offered to pay $100k over for an allocation (not known whether it was a broker/dealer/buyer though). My SA told him to go pound sand as they sell their new GT cars for MSRP to their good customers.

BrntRubber

I gave a letter of intent as soon as the 991 was released which was back in 2013 I believe. Some people, like myself, want the most extreme 911.

Since then investment and limited availability have boosted the demand substantially. In this price range many cars hold value well, except McLaren lol. The GT cars are all likely going up and staying up unless a financial crash happens.

The 720s is already swirling in the toilet bowl of depreciation and even the LT will plummet when the next one comes out. Just my .02

money is cheap now, the cars are highly desireable because of limited supply and let's be fair, it's a rocket ship hypercar killer for 1/3 the price.

It's hard to say value at this price point but it's a monster of a car and does represent value compared to other cars with these lap times and numbers.

I'm in the UK and my dealer said they were offered £200k ($275k ish) for an allocation which they aren't permitted to give.

RealityGT

It's a dam shame that these cars are going to people who don't even want the car to drive.. They want a dam financial investment.. Pathetic.
Wannabe collectors will suffer when the credit runs dry...

All this value bs has really ruined this sub-forum.