OT:911R
#3016
I agree with Mr. Linton. At first I was very skeptical regarding the car. I don't like numbered offerings. And since I had not been allocated one at the time I was really hoping it wasn't "that" good. But it is. After driving the car in the hills surrounding Stuttgart I wrote that the car was the offspring of a 997.2 RS and a '74 3.0 RS. Only it's faster and more useable. It reminds me of a canyon blasting sport bike. It's a masterpiece. I'm certain Porsche will use the R DNA in other upcoming models so all can enjoy.
I have a few friends that is after the 911R feel in their DD with a back seat. Would be a nice option to have.
The 991.2gt3 will probably be 99% of the R. Hopefully we get a back seat option and wing delete option on the new 991.2gt3.
#3017
Thank you.
Suitcase (gosh I hate this screen names) every once is a great while, a truly great vehicle appears. And it is usually not the fastest nor the most expensive, but it evokes a smile in all. The R is such a vehicle and, yes, I, too, agree. Best since 964RS.
Suitcase (gosh I hate this screen names) every once is a great while, a truly great vehicle appears. And it is usually not the fastest nor the most expensive, but it evokes a smile in all. The R is such a vehicle and, yes, I, too, agree. Best since 964RS.
#3019
On the other hand Porsche's production and distribution strategy for this car is flawed. Nothing against the lucky few getting the car - truly excited for you - but the decision to make it limited production after 5+yrs of Porsche's core GT customers begging and pleading for such a model is a mistake.
Porsche: make 5,000 fewer SUv's and 5,000 more 911R's. The world will be a better place for it.
#3023
Yup. Those that don't see this are deniers or just don't get true Porsche ethos.
On the other hand Porsche's production and distribution strategy for this car is flawed. Nothing against the lucky few getting the car - truly excited for you - but the decision to make it limited production after 5+yrs of Porsche's core GT customers begging and pleading for such a model is a mistake.
Porsche: make 5,000 fewer SUv's and 5,000 more 911R's. The world will be a better place for it.
On the other hand Porsche's production and distribution strategy for this car is flawed. Nothing against the lucky few getting the car - truly excited for you - but the decision to make it limited production after 5+yrs of Porsche's core GT customers begging and pleading for such a model is a mistake.
Porsche: make 5,000 fewer SUv's and 5,000 more 911R's. The world will be a better place for it.
#3024
The attraction of the R was that it held nothing back from the RS other than the aero & larger wheel/tire pkg and took the weight saving a step further.
Happy to be proved wrong.
#3025
If you define an R copy by just the motor and a manual trans, then yes you're likely correct. But if like me you value all the weight saving goodies from the RS and then some as much as the motor and trans, I remain skeptical. IMO the newest GT3 will always hold something back for the next RS. The attraction of the R was that it held nothing back from the RS other than the aero & larger wheel/tire pkg and took the weight saving a step further. Happy to be proved wrong.
Those that think the GT3.2 is pretty much an R with a wing are wrong IMO. Porsche will not allow that. Those that think you can spec the GT3.2 wingless from the factory are smoking something really strong...again IMO...
#3026
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The R seems like a nice car. Porsche, and particularly AP's team, have once again shown a refined skill comparable to master chefs - they evidently have an uncommon ability to bring ingredients together in a way that results in special creations worth savoring.
But the price of the car seems a bit inflated (at MSRP), and they need to drop the VIP exclusivity nonsense and produce the car in sufficient numbers to meet demand.
But the price of the car seems a bit inflated (at MSRP), and they need to drop the VIP exclusivity nonsense and produce the car in sufficient numbers to meet demand.
#3027
Look at it from Porsches perspective,
They have obviously seen the huge success of the 991gt series. Might have lost a few sales because lack of MT?
They will give us that in the .2
They've had 4 years of testing of the engine. I think the .2 engines will be bullet proof.
Meaning less risk of costly recalls and warranty costs.
I would offer gt3 in as many possible configurations as possible. Don't forget they can charge for wing delete and adding of rear seat.
And add to that the great press and review from the R.
#3028
Obviously we are only guessing so far about the 991.2gt3. Look at it from Porsches perspective, They have obviously seen the huge success of the 991gt series. Might have lost a few sales because lack of MT? They will give us that in the .2 They've had 4 years of testing of the engine. I think the .2 engines will be bullet proof. Meaning less risk of costly recalls and warranty costs. I would offer gt3 in as many possible configurations as possible. Don't forget they can charge for wing delete and adding of rear seat. And add to that the great press and review from the R.
I also do not think they will offer something like wing delete or the possibility of adding back rear seats. I'm basing my opinion on previous generations,plus I just don't think they want GT cars being specced that way. Of course,I could be wrong...
#3029
We are not disagreeing : they will give us the manual and the more reliable 4.0 L,but I doubt we will get close to the R's weight and I do not think they will use exotic materials like carbon fiber panels and magnesium roof.
I also do not think they will offer something like wing delete or the possibility of adding back rear seats. I'm basing my opinion on previous generations,plus I just don't think they want GT cars being specced that way. Of course,I could be wrong...
I also do not think they will offer something like wing delete or the possibility of adding back rear seats. I'm basing my opinion on previous generations,plus I just don't think they want GT cars being specced that way. Of course,I could be wrong...
That's just the way the GT cars have been heading. More options! Translates to more cars sold.
I love the look of the R. Think it's beatiful. All the lightweight panels and magnesium roof is cool. The inside is not worthy the R badge IMO.
Really hope the 992 will shrink dramatically. Not very likely. But, with APs team and let's say a 993 size car, the sky is the limit for the 911. We can always dream.
#3030
They've been increasing the wheelbase with each gen in order to make the car more stable,dial out understeer and the typical rear engine behavior. That is why they've been moving the engine forward and use gimmicks like the RWS.
So yeah : " one can only dream "...