G43 fits in my door pocket
09-12-2015, 07:54 PM
#211
Last try, I swear. Sam, I realize this is a pointless discussion to have with some, but you are a rational, responsible person. Regarding your linked story, because we can't stop every criminal from getting a gun does that mean we shouldn't try to keep any criminal or mentally ill person from getting a gun?
There are many examples, some already stated in this thread, where criminals or mentally ill buyers obtained guns through "legal" means and killed people with them. Universal background checks of buyers in the 40 states that don't have them for gun show and other private sales could save lives. If it saved even 1% of the 33,000 that are lost every year in gun related incidents, wouldn't it be worth it? That's 330 people. One of them might be someone you, I, or another RL'er knows or loves. Isn't it worth trying to do something about that?
I'm all for honoring the 2nd amendment. But somehow this has become an ideological, knee-jerk, left-right issue instead of a common sense one. Some people are more worried about the hypothetical tin-hat scenario that the government is going to intern everyone in FEMA camps than they are about the real life scenario where guns in the hands of the wrong person are involved in killing 90 people every day. It's nuts.
You're absolutely right, we can't stop every criminal or crazy person from getting a gun, but they tend not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer after all, and I strongly believe we would stop some. As a law abiding gun owner myself, I can't understand why other law abiding gun owners would be against trying.
That's all....stay safe.
There are many examples, some already stated in this thread, where criminals or mentally ill buyers obtained guns through "legal" means and killed people with them. Universal background checks of buyers in the 40 states that don't have them for gun show and other private sales could save lives. If it saved even 1% of the 33,000 that are lost every year in gun related incidents, wouldn't it be worth it? That's 330 people. One of them might be someone you, I, or another RL'er knows or loves. Isn't it worth trying to do something about that?
I'm all for honoring the 2nd amendment. But somehow this has become an ideological, knee-jerk, left-right issue instead of a common sense one. Some people are more worried about the hypothetical tin-hat scenario that the government is going to intern everyone in FEMA camps than they are about the real life scenario where guns in the hands of the wrong person are involved in killing 90 people every day. It's nuts.
You're absolutely right, we can't stop every criminal or crazy person from getting a gun, but they tend not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer after all, and I strongly believe we would stop some. As a law abiding gun owner myself, I can't understand why other law abiding gun owners would be against trying.
That's all....stay safe.
Mike,
One change I would in favor of is a modification to HIPAA laws so that if you are prescribed and SSRI drug, for a period of 6 months from that date, you would be ineligible to purchase a firearm through a dealer. This would have to be reported by pharmacies to the Fed and tied to your background check.
This, however, would not resolved non-FFL purchases nor the gas station parking lot specials. It also wouldn't stop horrible events like Newtown.
I also think there should be no gun-free zones (except federal buildings / court houses and police stations).
This isn't an easy problem to solve. Almost impossible to solve, because those that wish to do us harm will do so at any expense - including their own demise.
Best to be prepared to respond accordingly...
One change I would in favor of is a modification to HIPAA laws so that if you are prescribed and SSRI drug, for a period of 6 months from that date, you would be ineligible to purchase a firearm through a dealer. This would have to be reported by pharmacies to the Fed and tied to your background check.
This, however, would not resolved non-FFL purchases nor the gas station parking lot specials. It also wouldn't stop horrible events like Newtown.
I also think there should be no gun-free zones (except federal buildings / court houses and police stations).
This isn't an easy problem to solve. Almost impossible to solve, because those that wish to do us harm will do so at any expense - including their own demise.
Best to be prepared to respond accordingly...
I agree with you that gun-free zones should be reduced (no worries, I have my flame suit on). A person with a conceal carry permit has had his/her fingerprints done and an extensive background check through the FBI. That person will not (at least I haven't heard of any) go on a shooting rampage. A criminal, who by definition breaks laws, will not leave his/her gun out when they enter such establishment (fact: happened before, several times). Mike, think of this scenario: you are in a place that doesn't allow guns, then a crazy criminal walks in and starts shooting randomly. Security and/or police are 4-5 minutes away at the very best. Would you rather nothing else happens or would it be better that a law abiding citizen gets his concealed weapon out and terminate the threat?
awew911, I very much agree with your last two paragraphs.
This is definitely easy to get to but I would worry about anyone seeing my gun when I open the door. Texas will allow open carry as of January 1st and I am certainly never going to do that, even though my permit will allow me. I don't want to be the first target to go when the perps walk in. At least you are staying on topic
09-14-2015, 11:34 AM
#216
Burning Brakes
And this is the real problem. Educated rational folks are not automatically against any firearm regulation but no one, including on this thread, has come up with a solution that would be both effective against criminal activity, and not infringe to an undue degree on law abiding citizens.
09-14-2015, 12:32 PM
#217
And this is the real problem. Educated rational folks are not automatically against any firearm regulation but no one, including on this thread, has come up with a solution that would be both effective against criminal activity, and not infringe to an undue degree on law abiding citizens.
Rhetorical question: Everyone is OK registering their cars. Why aren't they OK registering their guns? Mass confiscations can't really happen.
09-14-2015, 02:18 PM
#218
Burning Brakes
It underscores the complexity of the issue and parties have to sit down and talk. Guns for everybody anytime or no guns except with extremely tight monitoring won't work. The "simplest" starting point is to fix the current NCIS background check process.
Rhetorical question: Everyone is OK registering their cars. Why aren't they OK registering their guns? Mass confiscations can't really happen.
Rhetorical question: Everyone is OK registering their cars. Why aren't they OK registering their guns? Mass confiscations can't really happen.
Registration of a firearm doesn't change who can use it for criminal purposes exactly the same for automobiles. All registration does is let "read in" govt bodies know who bought the gun and where it is "registered".
I know it was rhetorical but I'm actually not OK with registering vehicles, especially how it's done it TX. You need a license to drive a car on a public road. You need a license to carry a firearm in public. Makes sense to me. I'm ok with that.
Why do my new Porsches need to be "inspected" annually and registered with the state? Fees, pure and simple. Personal responsibility has gone out the window.
I would be fine if I was given access, for a fee, to do a background check on an individual prior to consummating a private party sale. I wouldn't need to see the details of the check just a simple yes or no. That would close your so called loop hole. And I think many if not most law abiding gun owning citizens would welcome that change for their own piece of mind.
09-14-2015, 06:38 PM
#219
09-14-2015, 11:59 PM
#220
I would be fine if I was given access, for a fee, to do a background check on an individual prior to consummating a private party sale. I wouldn't need to see the details of the check just a simple yes or no. That would close your so called loop hole. And I think many if not most law abiding gun owning citizens would welcome that change for their own piece of mind.