This explains everything including why its taking so long on compensation
#16
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Nick didn't 'find' this. It was posted in Rennteam and he is just re-posting it in this forum. They have some active members that are well connected & often post breaking news on the subject from Germany. There are many Rennlisters actively involved in that forum too. Suggest the rest of you monitor it every once in a while.
http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=3#post16
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=3#post16
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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I don't understand your obvious hostility. If you don't like the message of the article don't shoot the messenger.
Saludos,
Nicklas
La Jolla
#17
Interesting... This has been my view the whole time. If it's a tolerance issue it would explain why only a few cars have failed. Most of the time there is a distribution of tolerances where only a small percentage of cars fall into a "bad " zone. The issue is that porsche does not know which cars are effected. Typically these kind of failures are what we in the business call infant mortality , it is not a wear out mechanism. I suspect for cars with high mileage that have not experienced a failure they never will.
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#19
Oh I get that, but if they broke, I would say they were over-stressed. Correct tolerances should hopefully be the fix, but my point was more based on does Porsche want to give themselves more of a buffer
#20
Rennlist Member
Interestingly, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple new parts in the motors...if anything they would be better off completely over designing the new motor and marketing it as the same than having something mess up again.
#21
Yes, I was. But thanks to California taxpayers, I have undergone a very expensive operation that has made me (literarily) a new man!
Nick, I think you should have been giving Rennteam credit for MANY of your numerous 'breaking' stories here on Rennlist in the past months. That is all. If they did the heavy lifting, give them credit. As it is, Christian and many in his group don't think much of us, often calling us Rennlisters 'drama queens'. Does that ring a bell? I don't want to give Rennteam any further ammunition to criticize us.
Saludos,
Eduardo
PS Unfortunately, now I can't seem to hit the 'high notes' I used to when I was in the nun's singing group!
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Eduardo I wasn't taking credit for anything. I posted the article. FWIW, the post on RT did not translate the article. I provided a scan of the translation.
I don't understand your obvious hostility. If you don't like the message of the article don't shoot the messenger.
Saludos,
Nicklas
La Jolla
I don't understand your obvious hostility. If you don't like the message of the article don't shoot the messenger.
Saludos,
Nicklas
La Jolla
Saludos,
Eduardo
PS Unfortunately, now I can't seem to hit the 'high notes' I used to when I was in the nun's singing group!
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#22
Race Director
We don't know whether the fasteners broke, loosened, were stripped, whatever, but I understand your point. From all accounts Porsche has actually redesigned and is testing a new fastening arrangement for the connecting rod bolts, which is also why this is taking so long. The following is my speculation, but the reason they are doing that instead of simply narrowing the assembly tolerances for the existing fasteners is to achieve precisely what you suggest; to eliminate the need for such close tolerances, and give themselves a buffer without having to reduce the overall specification of the engine.
#23
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Eduardo, an article so important to all of us and all you can think of is to chastise the poster that failed to source what he posted. WTF! Get your head on straight and out of Porsche's rear end. I often give credit to other sites when appropriate. The article is a public record. Everything YOU post is sourced elsewhere. We can spend our entire day pointing to sources.
What you did was an obvious effort to detract from the message which is despite all your attempts to shield Porsche from criticism the facts now show Porsche made the mistake and hoping to extricate itself from the mess.
Look if you are going to act as an agent for Porsche ( your bias is overwhelming ) you should put that in your signature line. I don't know what role you play on RL but if you are a principal you should tell me.
What you did was an obvious effort to detract from the message which is despite all your attempts to shield Porsche from criticism the facts now show Porsche made the mistake and hoping to extricate itself from the mess.
Look if you are going to act as an agent for Porsche ( your bias is overwhelming ) you should put that in your signature line. I don't know what role you play on RL but if you are a principal you should tell me.
#25
Eduardo, an article so important to all of us and all you can think of is to chastise the poster that failed to source what he posted. WTF! Get your head on straight and out of Porsche's rear end. I often give credit to other sites when appropriate. The article is a public record. Everything YOU post is sourced elsewhere. We can spend our entire day pointing to sources.
What you did was an obvious effort to detract from the message which is despite all your attempts to shield Porsche from criticism the facts now show Porsche made the mistake and hoping to extricate itself from the mess.
Look if you are going to act as an agent for Porsche ( your bias is overwhelming ) you should put that in your signature line. I don't know what role you play on RL but if you are a principal you should tell me.
What you did was an obvious effort to detract from the message which is despite all your attempts to shield Porsche from criticism the facts now show Porsche made the mistake and hoping to extricate itself from the mess.
Look if you are going to act as an agent for Porsche ( your bias is overwhelming ) you should put that in your signature line. I don't know what role you play on RL but if you are a principal you should tell me.
I sourced this in the web just for you!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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#27
From all accounts Porsche has actually redesigned and is testing a new fastening arrangement for the connecting rod bolts, which is also why this is taking so long. The following is my speculation, but the reason they are doing that instead of simply narrowing the assembly tolerances for the existing fasteners is to achieve precisely what you suggest; to eliminate the need for such close tolerances, and give themselves a buffer without having to reduce the overall specification of the engine.
A new fastening arrangement? Seriously? Junked the cost savings led glue gun approach and gone back to bolts?
Fwiw, tolerances can take many forms. Assembly tolerance I suppose however casts the warmest glow when one retires of an evening.
#28
I have no axe to grind with you, Eduardo, or Christian at RT, or either board.