What will it take from Porsche to make current GT3 owners feel "right" in the end?
03-03-2014, 08:55 AM
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03-03-2014, 09:37 AM
#63
I'm unhappy, I'm upset, and I get more upset every time I walk past my car parked in the garage. But realistically, once they've told me they are working on the problem as quickly as they can, and will let me know when they have a solution, what is it that I should expect? Personal messages from F. Piech saying they are STILL working on it as quickly as they can? Daily progress reports on how the investigation is proceeding? I mean, that would be great, but I suspect it won't get my car on the road any sooner.
Unless I think Porsche are dragging their heels and honestly don't care about all the negatives surrounding this situation (something no rational person could possibly believe), then unhappy as I may be, I don't see any alternative to being patient.
If someone has a practical, potentially effective suggestion as to something I can do to get back in the driver's seat more quickly, I'd love to hear it. I'm not above whining, but it has to have a reasonable chance of accomplishing something.
Unless I think Porsche are dragging their heels and honestly don't care about all the negatives surrounding this situation (something no rational person could possibly believe), then unhappy as I may be, I don't see any alternative to being patient.
If someone has a practical, potentially effective suggestion as to something I can do to get back in the driver's seat more quickly, I'd love to hear it. I'm not above whining, but it has to have a reasonable chance of accomplishing something.
Mike. Put a gopro in the engine bay from below. One on each side from the rear bumper facing back up at the cats and the oil cooler. Set to 60fps HD and use extended batter. Then just go and drive it. Maje sure you have an extinguisher on board (least 2kg). If it catches fire put it out and phone PAG telling them you have evidence of how the fire originated. I dont think they will tell you off for using the car....LOL
03-03-2014, 09:53 AM
#64
Unfortunately, I don't believe Porsche will give you cash or anything really worthy.
An excuse letter and extended warranty is probably as good as you'll get.
The worst part is the resale value for the 991 GT3 is already being hit. I could see people avoiding the 2014 GT3 just because of this. In 4-5-6 years, people looking for a used GT3 will likely avoid the bad batch of 2014 and get the 2015 model. Not everyone is well educated.
Best of luck to all concerned. It sucks to pay for Porsche's R&D on top of the price of the car.
An excuse letter and extended warranty is probably as good as you'll get.
The worst part is the resale value for the 991 GT3 is already being hit. I could see people avoiding the 2014 GT3 just because of this. In 4-5-6 years, people looking for a used GT3 will likely avoid the bad batch of 2014 and get the 2015 model. Not everyone is well educated.
Best of luck to all concerned. It sucks to pay for Porsche's R&D on top of the price of the car.
03-03-2014, 10:49 AM
#65
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Mike. Put a gopro in the engine bay from below. One on each side from the rear bumper facing back up at the cats and the oil cooler. Set to 60fps HD and use extended batter. Then just go and drive it. Maje sure you have an extinguisher on board (least 2kg). If it catches fire put it out and phone PAG telling them you have evidence of how the fire originated. I dont think they will tell you off for using the car....LOL
(Kiwis know Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, don't they?)
03-03-2014, 11:05 AM
#66
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Chopin - only the best. 
That's great that they are willing to help you out. I wish you the best of luck.
The whole climate of this forum just sucks though. I wish people would look at the big picture and realize that they are waiting for one of the best drivers cars in the world, and not act like starving, dehydrated African children...that's all.
That's great that they are willing to help you out. I wish you the best of luck.The whole climate of this forum just sucks though. I wish people would look at the big picture and realize that they are waiting for one of the best drivers cars in the world, and not act like starving, dehydrated African children...that's all.
Whole climate of this forum sucks? You mean people who pay over 6 figures for a sports car and expect feedback within a reasonable time from the manufacturer when a potentially catostrophic issue presents itself that sidelines an entire line of their top tier products? I don't know what planet you're on, or maybe if you're in the .000001 percent of wealth that anything under 500k is a night in Vegas group...but if not, how could this NOT be bothersome to you in some way/shape/form? You must be a construction contractor's wet dream...
I disagree. I've mentioned this before, but 12 years ago my 996 had a broken weld in the roof area that was causing a noise that they couldn't find. Car was out of service for a month. No publicity, no fire; just PCNA, the dealer, and me. I didn't have to ask for anything, Porsche wrote a loss-of-use check for almost $900 which was the equivalent of one month's car payment.
When I asked about it, the PCNA contact I spoke to 10 days ago told me that cash compensation was a likely remedy. FWIW, I'll be surprised and disappointed if it doesn't happen.
When I asked about it, the PCNA contact I spoke to 10 days ago told me that cash compensation was a likely remedy. FWIW, I'll be surprised and disappointed if it doesn't happen.
Mike. Put a gopro in the engine bay from below. One on each side from the rear bumper facing back up at the cats and the oil cooler. Set to 60fps HD and use extended batter. Then just go and drive it. Maje sure you have an extinguisher on board (least 2kg). If it catches fire put it out and phone PAG telling them you have evidence of how the fire originated. I dont think they will tell you off for using the car....LOL
I will test drive any 991GT3 with camera's for as much as I have time for on and off the track. in shorts and T shirt, no sissy Nomex required. I will take fire bottle to save the camera's.
03-03-2014, 11:15 AM
#67
BMW extended the E46M3 warranty to 100K miles (not that this would matter on a GT3) on all parts that touched engine oil when they finally admitted to a bad batch of crank bearings.
03-03-2014, 11:36 AM
#70
Hello fellow GT3 thumb twiddlers!
I don't think God intended man to shift gears with his thumbs, but this twiddling doesn't count as pre-season conditioning ... anyway, this question of compensation is a queer one to me.
I don't accept the premise or suggestion that Porsche has done anything wrong that requires them to make amends with buyers. If your car was one of the two that fried, yes, Porsche has to pick up the tab on those events and then some. If you already had this weekend toy in your garage and have to drive a Panamera for a couple of weeks, no harm done.
If you haven't even taken delivery (my case) you're owed nothing other than timely and candid information. I'll put the car I've ordered on a hoist at the dealership and nut and bolt it myself -- as I've done with previous cars.
I've heard Porsche has isolated the cause and effected a program for field updates. Given my car might be "corrected" at the port, I'll be careful to run over it nose to tail with my paint gauge. After that, situation normal.
That said, I do like the idea of a "complimentary" ticket to PSDS for say their two-day event, with specific content adapted to the GT3 track driver (rear steer, PDK, care and feeding of PCCB.) I think Porsche should be doing that for all GT3 and more performance oriented sales, at least some sort of incentive, since I think the PSDS resources couldn't accommodate a free for all.
I imagine it has already been stated, but the obvious suggestion would be to fit the track fire suppression system from the Club sports package. : )
The only "wow" Porsche could get out of me is if they offer the sport bucket seats as a retrofit. Of course, if they want to knock me down, they'd offer the car with weld-in plates and the full Club sport package and the front bars ...
I don't think God intended man to shift gears with his thumbs, but this twiddling doesn't count as pre-season conditioning ... anyway, this question of compensation is a queer one to me.
I don't accept the premise or suggestion that Porsche has done anything wrong that requires them to make amends with buyers. If your car was one of the two that fried, yes, Porsche has to pick up the tab on those events and then some. If you already had this weekend toy in your garage and have to drive a Panamera for a couple of weeks, no harm done.
If you haven't even taken delivery (my case) you're owed nothing other than timely and candid information. I'll put the car I've ordered on a hoist at the dealership and nut and bolt it myself -- as I've done with previous cars.
I've heard Porsche has isolated the cause and effected a program for field updates. Given my car might be "corrected" at the port, I'll be careful to run over it nose to tail with my paint gauge. After that, situation normal.
That said, I do like the idea of a "complimentary" ticket to PSDS for say their two-day event, with specific content adapted to the GT3 track driver (rear steer, PDK, care and feeding of PCCB.) I think Porsche should be doing that for all GT3 and more performance oriented sales, at least some sort of incentive, since I think the PSDS resources couldn't accommodate a free for all.
I imagine it has already been stated, but the obvious suggestion would be to fit the track fire suppression system from the Club sports package. : )
The only "wow" Porsche could get out of me is if they offer the sport bucket seats as a retrofit. Of course, if they want to knock me down, they'd offer the car with weld-in plates and the full Club sport package and the front bars ...
03-03-2014, 11:47 AM
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03-03-2014, 11:51 AM
#73
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Fresh engines for everyone! I don't think Porsche's dealer network has the manpower to completely rebuild every GT3's engine (since that's what it would take) and the delay time to do so would be completely unreasonable.
03-03-2014, 11:52 AM
#74
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03-03-2014, 11:54 AM
#75
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The old engines could be sent back to the factory.