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Old 09-28-2014 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by philgva
Track from this weekend. What a fantastic 2 day event. The car performed flawless. Video Link: http://youtu.be/8PeKGnRodNk P.
Hey Phil another fantastic track day in Europe!!!

Maybe you can give us an update on total Kms covered now on and off the track ( total number of track days?).

I understand you have finished your MPSC2 now and are using the Trofeo R? How much use did you get out of the michelins in the end?

You changed pads. You also replaced front discs if I am correct?

Are you still finding oil consumption high for track use or has this slowed down?

Any other long term track device for the new car would be appreciated. Not many here pushed the car as hard, fast or often as you yet in other regions so your advice is of interest to many....

Thanks mate!
Old 09-28-2014 | 08:25 PM
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Indeed another great track day, check also the perf vs a Ferrari Speciale


Next week is Monza which is organize by Porsche. Don't like the track much but it has lots of history.

So since engine swap, I have about 4500 km. Really no issue, added maybe with track about 2lt of oil which is normal.

At Imola, I had new Pirelli Trofeo R and again they were flawless compared to the Michelin from the friends. Well it is maybe due to my chassis setup which is perfect, sorry I don't have the measurement, will try to get them. Some of the friends copy it...

I had the Pagid RS29 which had already a track, Magny Cours in the front and 3 tracks at the rear. I think I would still be good for another one but Monza has a heavy breaking so I will mostly put new front pads. To give you an example at Imola, I was breaking at 150m at speed aroun 260km, while my friends without the pads and maybe the proper tires combination with chassis were breaking at 250m. Overall they were 6s slower...and the best of the group was at 3s slower.

We were 7 friends with the same car and engine swap and non of us had an issue with one exception which was spark issue which prevented the 6th cylinder. That was corrected by the center.

Oil wise, non had issue though 2 friends have abnormal oil consumption since the swap. The center issued a notice to Porsche AG, will see but nothing alarming for now.

Though I love Ferrari and the Speciale is amazing, I could really not see a big speed difference on straight line.

A friend land me his McLaren 650S and that is a real beast. He has also a P1 so next time maybe I can have a ride...

In a nutshell the GT3 is just amazing compared to more expensive car and I could do 15-16 laps without any issue 6 times over 2 days.

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Old 09-28-2014 | 09:31 PM
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Loving the videos Phil...Nice group of cars and tracks you get to run with...Hope you don't mind me posting your videos in the "on track experiences and videos 991 GT3 only" thread..

Old 09-28-2014 | 10:48 PM
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Phil. Thanks for your valuable feedback.

Your Imola best lap is very impressive. Not many production cars below 200,000 Euro will get close! You obviously are an experienced circuit driver.

Interesting what you say about oil consumption and spark. Firstly on spark there is on UK owner who has now done 12,000 miles (19,000 km). I know, it sounds crazy but is true. He has been using his car on many tracks in UK/Europe too. His warning for spark came up a few days before he was due to take the car for its service. Apparently for the 991 GT3 maintenance schedule indicates spark plugs must be changes every 12,000 miles so his timing was perfect. It is a very short interval so due to 9000 rpm there must be alot of wear on this component. He has had them replaced as per the schedule and now all is good.

For oil we have some friends with GT3 who use more than other also. But nothing alarming at this time. I myself seem to have used approximately 800ml since the new engine over 3000km but only including 2 x track days (6 sessions of 12 laps per day). On the road the car uses almost no oil - but on the track if driven hard it will use 300ml I am not sure if that will improve over time but I expect always to use oil on hot track days in any car.

I cannot remember now but did you follow the "run in" procedure for the second engine or did you just enjoy using it immediately?

Of course we are interested in the stats on your geometry. When you have them would be good.

For pads I have also found front wearing much faster than rear. I have ordered Endless MX72 pads for replacing the factory pads when the time comes. I dont know if you have Endless brand in Switzerland? I have used them before and they are very good. They also make ME20 + ME22 which are a more aggressive compound similar to RS29. I use the MX72 on my 993RS car at the track as it is a compound that works well on the road as well and I do not get noise. For serious track use and heavier vehicle like GT3 maybe ME20 compound is better but I dont want noise on the road. The pads are very kind to the disc. They are well known brand used by Porsche and others in motorsport. They are not as cheap as RS29 but will last longer.

For fluid I will change to SFR when pads need replacing. I will also look for steel brake hose line.

My discs still look good after 6500 km. The front will need to be replaced before teh rear but i think I can have 3 more track days and 3000 road km before these need doing.

Im very interested in what you say about Trofeo R. I find MPSC2 very good for road and track but I am keen to try Trofeo and these seem from what you say to be a more aggressive tyre - but it will be interesting to see if they last as long as MPSC2 (which seem to last well for their type).

As always enjoy watching your footage and hearing about your experiences with the car...
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by philgva
Track from this weekend. What a fantastic 2 day event. The car performed flawless.
http://youtu.be/8PeKGnRodNk
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Impressive track full of Porsches! Good lord.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:02 AM
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Phil. One last question - you are using your car in Sport Auto on track? Are you disabling ESC & TC or leaving these on?
Old 09-29-2014 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Phil. One last question - you are using your car in Sport Auto on track? Are you disabling ESC & TC or leaving these on?
Sorry for late reply, just arrive in Ireland. So at the track I tried all combination and for me I use sport button and leave RSC and TC. For some curve I change manually. I found leaving ESC and TC is more efficient assuming you have a clean drive. If too aggressive then it might just have too many correction
Old 09-29-2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Phil. Thanks for your valuable feedback. Your Imola best lap is very impressive. Not many production cars below 200,000 Euro will get close! You obviously are an experienced circuit driver. Interesting what you say about oil consumption and spark. Firstly on spark there is on UK owner who has now done 12,000 miles (19,000 km). I know, it sounds crazy but is true. He has been using his car on many tracks in UK/Europe too. His warning for spark came up a few days before he was due to take the car for its service. Apparently for the 991 GT3 maintenance schedule indicates spark plugs must be changes every 12,000 miles so his timing was perfect. It is a very short interval so due to 9000 rpm there must be alot of wear on this component. He has had them replaced as per the schedule and now all is good. For oil we have some friends with GT3 who use more than other also. But nothing alarming at this time. I myself seem to have used approximately 800ml since the new engine over 3000km but only including 2 x track days (6 sessions of 12 laps per day). On the road the car uses almost no oil - but on the track if driven hard it will use 300ml I am not sure if that will improve over time but I expect always to use oil on hot track days in any car. I cannot remember now but did you follow the "run in" procedure for the second engine or did you just enjoy using it immediately? Of course we are interested in the stats on your geometry. When you have them would be good. For pads I have also found front wearing much faster than rear. I have ordered Endless MX72 pads for replacing the factory pads when the time comes. I dont know if you have Endless brand in Switzerland? I have used them before and they are very good. They also make ME20 + ME22 which are a more aggressive compound similar to RS29. I use the MX72 on my 993RS car at the track as it is a compound that works well on the road as well and I do not get noise. For serious track use and heavier vehicle like GT3 maybe ME20 compound is better but I dont want noise on the road. The pads are very kind to the disc. They are well known brand used by Porsche and others in motorsport. They are not as cheap as RS29 but will last longer. For fluid I will change to SFR when pads need replacing. I will also look for steel brake hose line. My discs still look good after 6500 km. The front will need to be replaced before teh rear but i think I can have 3 more track days and 3000 road km before these need doing. Im very interested in what you say about Trofeo R. I find MPSC2 very good for road and track but I am keen to try Trofeo and these seem from what you say to be a more aggressive tyre - but it will be interesting to see if they last as long as MPSC2 (which seem to last well for their type). As always enjoy watching your footage and hearing about your experiences with the car...
Hey thanks for the sparks, I will check with the center. I know Endless, I had them before, great pads. Right now after 5 track the rotors are still ok but have some cracks so I might need to change the front one. I did not see any other OEM for the front as the one from Porsche are around 2000 for the set.

Promise I need to get the measurement on my geometry will try to get it.

For brake fluid I use the castrol RS. Remember also that I put the goodridge brake line so pad, fluids and lines just perfect braking.

Tires wise, I have a better feeling with the Pirelli and they seem to get worn down much better. MPSC2 seem to get side off more rapidly. The best would be to compare on same day same car same driver but that is impossible for me. Just personal but Pirelli seems better suited for me. They are more progressive and seem to stick better. Price wise it is the same.

Next video will be Monza 😄 morning will be my wife and afternoon me. She will get to Milan shopping so will push the car a bit more...
Old 09-29-2014 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by philgva
Sorry for late reply, just arrive in Ireland. So at the track I tried all combination and for me I use sport button and leave RSC and TC. For some curve I change manually. I found leaving ESC and TC is more efficient assuming you have a clean drive. If too aggressive then it might just have too many correction
Thanks Phil. Sport Auto with ESC+TC left ON (the same settings I have used so far).

You have Sport Suspension (firm dampers) ON too?

Enjoy your trip in Ireland - "ta be sure, ta be sure"
Old 09-29-2014 | 09:27 PM
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Great driving Phil!! Like you and Macca, I found the TC and ESC on to be unintrusive so good insurance to have. Interested in your response to Macca's question about whether you run the suspension in firm or normal. I personally found normal to provide better grip and possible faster lap times (minimal difference, if existent).
Old 09-29-2014 | 10:20 PM
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Pro racer I talked with recently suggested leaving ESC and TC on, since the threshold is very high.
Old 09-30-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Macca, yes I leave all on and put the suspension to firm. Note that have also put the anti-sway bars to the firm setting.
unless you want to do some drift or some fun on wet track I would not disconnect.
Old 09-30-2014 | 10:02 AM
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Thanks Phil. Appreciated...here is one for you to enjoy....


Old 10-01-2014 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Thanks Phil. Sport Auto with ESC+TC left ON (the same settings I have used so far).

You have Sport Suspension (firm dampers) ON too?

Enjoy your trip in Ireland - "ta be sure, ta be sure"
great video thanks for sharing
Old 10-04-2014 | 01:39 PM
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Phil proves what most of us already know. The driver makes all the difference.

Great driving Phil!


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