Stop Sale?
03-17-2014 | 01:32 AM
#2494
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This video has been therapeutic through all this.... I've probably watched it 15 times when I felt the cloud of doubt hanging over me.
2014 Porsche 911 GT3 tested - YouTube
2014 Porsche 911 GT3 tested - YouTube
03-17-2014 | 01:35 AM
#2495
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03-17-2014 | 01:38 AM
#2496
Race Director
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03-17-2014 | 01:46 AM
#2497
Drifting
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NOT gonna happen, ha? LOL.
03-17-2014 | 01:53 AM
#2498
Three Wheelin'
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. Anyway, GL to you Mike and all the other 991 GT3 owners/future owners (which might include myself some time in some distant future) for tomorrow's announcement. As the saying goes, all's well that ends well.
03-17-2014 | 01:54 AM
#2499
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03-17-2014 | 01:57 AM
#2500
Burning Brakes
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I remember that post and the comments that followed, fbirch. No factual information was ever provided as a follow-up and the poster did disappear. Maybe we scared him away.
I was told that this current issue had not surfaced at any point in the testing and I believe my source. You can take it with a grain of salt. But more to the point, if such an event actually happened in the hands of journalists testing the car as the poster claimed, why did nothing from those alleged journalists ever appear in print or leak out anywhere else except from one guy on an internet forum? That was the question at the time and it's still a valid one, IMHO.
Rumors and reports have sprung up about various disasters with the valve train, con rods, bearings, PDK-S, RWS, oil coolers, brackets, what have you. If you throw enough stuff against the wall, something might even stick. The notion that Porsche knew there was a specific problem in advance, put the engine into production anyway, and then spent over a month pretending to investigate the known failure to fool the public while getting chewed up in the press and social media is tin-hat conspiracy theory stuff.
I was told that this current issue had not surfaced at any point in the testing and I believe my source. You can take it with a grain of salt. But more to the point, if such an event actually happened in the hands of journalists testing the car as the poster claimed, why did nothing from those alleged journalists ever appear in print or leak out anywhere else except from one guy on an internet forum? That was the question at the time and it's still a valid one, IMHO.
Rumors and reports have sprung up about various disasters with the valve train, con rods, bearings, PDK-S, RWS, oil coolers, brackets, what have you. If you throw enough stuff against the wall, something might even stick. The notion that Porsche knew there was a specific problem in advance, put the engine into production anyway, and then spent over a month pretending to investigate the known failure to fool the public while getting chewed up in the press and social media is tin-hat conspiracy theory stuff.
Test prototypes are rarely built with the exact same processes, tooling, people and parts supply chain as the final production units. It’s entirely possible that Porsche had great confidence based on extensive in-house testing, so when one or two early prototypes showed some flaw that was inconsistent with all prior testing Porsche chalked it up to ham fisted driving, a statistical outlier, or any one of a million factors they believed would not be applicable to regular production units. Then when the problem reappeared they realized their initial assessment was wrong and instituted this stop sale. No one is suggesting any corporate conspiracies, just the kind of stuff that happens in the real world, even to companies with the best of intentions.
03-17-2014 | 01:58 AM
#2501
Drifting
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03-17-2014 | 02:07 AM
#2502
Instructor
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From: Adelaide, South Australia and Bucks, UK
Why are people thinking this deadline will be met when others haven't been, and that there will suddenly be new information released when we were told on Friday that they are still testing possible solutions? I must have missed something...
03-17-2014 | 02:15 AM
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I’ve been involved in product development and commercialization for many years. I’ve had products undergo significant amounts of engineering testing, passed with flying colors, yet showed problems early on when released to customers, and the initial assessment of those failures turned out to be wrong. It doesn’t take any dark conspiracy theories to understand how that can happen.
Test prototypes are rarely built with the exact same processes, tooling, people and parts supply chain as the final production units. It’s entirely possible that Porsche had great confidence based on extensive in-house testing, so when one or two early prototypes showed some flaw that was inconsistent with all prior testing Porsche chalked it up to ham fisted driving, a statistical outlier, or any one of a million factors they believed would not be applicable to regular production units. Then when the problem reappeared they realized their initial assessment was wrong and instituted this stop sale. No one is suggesting any corporate conspiracies, just the kind of stuff that happens in the real world, even to companies with the best of intentions.
Test prototypes are rarely built with the exact same processes, tooling, people and parts supply chain as the final production units. It’s entirely possible that Porsche had great confidence based on extensive in-house testing, so when one or two early prototypes showed some flaw that was inconsistent with all prior testing Porsche chalked it up to ham fisted driving, a statistical outlier, or any one of a million factors they believed would not be applicable to regular production units. Then when the problem reappeared they realized their initial assessment was wrong and instituted this stop sale. No one is suggesting any corporate conspiracies, just the kind of stuff that happens in the real world, even to companies with the best of intentions.
03-17-2014 | 02:20 AM
#2505
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