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Old 02-07-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Can you imagine they'd put a 6 speed in there, wow.
Wait, so if they put in a manual transmission, all of the sudden an 'unproven' motorsports engine and 'proven' failure with track use is wow........?
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:13 PM
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Wow as in how CH's review would have read..
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Old 02-07-2014, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
I never had the feeling my 4.0 didn't rev hard or was "flat"...
He's just trying to be nice to Porsche.
Having driven both cars he's making a relative comparison. Peter, you've never driven a 991 GT3, I've never driven a 4.0 so neither of us are in a position to judge. Apparently he is....

Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
I think that is what Chris is dealing with. He seems to be implying that the engine simple revs up to quickly for a manual to be effect. The driver just couldn't keep up with engine. A manual box would essentially slow the car down. It needs to be PDK equipped to be so good.

I am starting agree with the "manual purists" up to a point. The 991 GT3 should have been offered with a manual gear box but not an H pattern box. It should come with a sequential manual like a race car. That way a skilled driver could keep up with the fast reving engine.
This isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious; In what meaningful way would a sequential manual function differently than PDK-S in manual mode on the track? On the street?
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Now we are back to Faster VS Fun.
Other cars were always faster than GT3's but less reliable and less fun to drive.
As some else pointed out it can be both fast and and fun.

I prefer a PDK. I think it is fun. I also think faster is funner.

You think an H pattern manual is fun. That is good by me. I happen to think a sequential manual would be the most fun of all.

Chris Harris is making the point that the engine is too quick for a manual. It makes sense if you think about it.
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
This isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious; In what meaningful way would a sequential manual function differently than PDK-S in manual mode on the track? On the street?
The sequential would have a clutch pedal.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
The sequential would have a clutch pedal.
on most sequential (cup,for ex) the clutch is only used to start and to downshift.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
The sequential would have a clutch pedal.
I knew that. Was more interested in how that would translate to a better driving experience on the track and on the street. No biggie....
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
I knew that. Was more interested in how that would translate to a better driving experience on the track and on the street. No biggie....
I was not trying to be snarky. That was my legitimate answer. You get faster shifts but it is still a manual box. Think of it terms of riding high performance sport bike. Part of what makes a sport bike fun and also fast is the sequential gear box and the use of a clutch with it. Does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by mooty
on most sequential (cup,for ex) the clutch is only used to start and to downshift.
Yes, I am well aware of that.

I brought the subject up because the "manual purist" offen brings up heel and toe downshifting as the great joy of their driving experience. With a sequential box you can heel and toe.
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
Having driven both cars he's making a relative comparison. Peter, you've never driven a 991 GT3, I've never driven a 4.0 so neither of us are in a position to judge. Apparently he is....
Irrelevant.

What about my words; "I can see where he's coming from if you have to make a choice. IMHO Porsche can make this engine work just dandy with a 6 speed technically, just not financially as Chris says."

I don't have to drive a 991 GT3 to know it does not rev up that much faster so that a manual would not work. It does not rev up faster than a 4.0, so we could have a choice to be shifting ourselves with 3 pedals and choose to be slower.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
Chris Harris is making the point that the engine is too quick for a manual. It makes sense if you think about it.
No, that's not what he said and it would not be correct. Unless you think the 4.0 was too quick for a manual as well.
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My understanding that in the new 991 cup car the sequential does not require clutch to up or downshift. Am I mistaken?
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
No, that's not what he said and it would not be correct. Unless you think the 4.0 was too quick for a manual as well.
Sorry but that is exactly what he is saying. Here is a video he posted eight months ago on the 991 GT3. He clearly says the work and time involved in using a manual box would slow the car down.

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Originally Posted by SamFromTX
My understanding that in the new 991 cup car the sequential does not require clutch to up or downshift. Am I mistaken?
Maybe, but I think that car is still running the GT1 derived engine.
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Well, that movie is a bit odd, coz Motorsport revealed one just last week with a kind of different outcome?!
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