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If you found a Miami Blue car with CP0 that meets your specs. You should jump on it. You seem to be fretting alot about the CCB brakes. You will also pay a premium for Miami Blue so get used to it but will also hold value if you go to sell. Most Miami Blue colors are fetching similar PTS values. I have a Weissach one and wouldn’t let it got for a cent less than $250k or $260k and it has 16k miles full Dundon power kit and CPO.
They indicate that the CCB rotors are done when the surface layer wears down. But my understanding is that Carboteq is measuring the carbon content within the rotor, not specifically the surface layer, and in another thread someone mentioned that the 991.2 3RS rotors don't have the circular visual wear indicators. So how is the remaining life of the rotors really determined? Is it based on surface wear? Oxidation of carbon within the rotor? Both? Confusing!
They indicate that the CCB rotors are done when the surface layer wears down. But my understanding is that Carboteq is measuring the carbon content within the rotor, not specifically the surface layer, and in another thread someone mentioned that the 991.2 3RS rotors don't have the circular visual wear indicators. So how is the remaining life of the rotors really determined? Is it based on surface wear? Oxidation of carbon within the rotor? Both? Confusing!
bottom line, measurements aside, a PCCB car that is not tracked (regularly) the rotors will last for years! if you were planning to do 20-25+ track days/yr I'd expect that they would wear out (in time) but as you can see for about the price of a set of irons you can recondition them.
I fear that you may be falling afoul of Rennlist FUD regarding PCCB longevity/fragility... Ive had cars with all generations of PCCB, and tracked them, with no issues other than regular pad replacement.
bottom line, measurements aside, a PCCB car that is not tracked (regularly) the rotors will last for years! if you were planning to do 20-25+ track days/yr I'd expect that they would wear out (in time) but as you can see for about the price of a set of irons you can recondition them.
I fear that you may be falling afoul of Rennlist FUD regarding PCCB longevity/fragility... Ive had cars with all generations of PCCB, and tracked them, with no issues other than regular pad replacement.
bottom line, measurements aside, a PCCB car that is not tracked (regularly) the rotors will last for years! if you were planning to do 20-25+ track days/yr I'd expect that they would wear out (in time) but as you can see for about the price of a set of irons you can recondition them.
I fear that you may be falling afoul of Rennlist FUD regarding PCCB longevity/fragility... Ive had cars with all generations of PCCB, and tracked them, with no issues other than regular pad replacement.
you have nothing to worry about... just buy it
Yep, even at 50% life left of PCCB rotors will last FOREVER. It will probably take over 7500+ track miles to wear it down to 0% (of course it all depends on the track / and how you drive).
And if you are going to mostly drive it on the street, it will probably last for well over 50k miles, which I'm sure you probably won't have this car anymore 😉. For a $240K Miami Blue car, that's a good price compared to the other Miami Blue cars sold way past that price. Which I'm sure you know if you don't buy it, someone will happily take it.
Yep, even at 50% life left of PCCB rotors will last FOREVER. It will probably take over 7500+ track miles to wear it down to 0% (of course it all depends on the track / and how you drive).
And if you are going to mostly drive it on the street, it will probably last for well over 50k miles, which I'm sure you probably won't have this car anymore 😉. For a $240K Miami Blue car, that's a good price compared to the other Miami Blue cars sold way past that price. Which I'm sure you know if you don't buy it, someone will happily take it.
I know I would if I was in the market - I would not let PCCB wear (unless very very significant, which I dont think this is even close to an example of) get in the way of a purchase!
is probably the only thread on RL in the past 19 yrs with any really useful PCCB info in it... all the rest is simply "my grandfather once had a drink with a guy, who had heard from a guy that a guy he lived next door to who tracked his car over 20+/yr that his PCCB collapsed into a neutron star and/or black hole ... and was never heard from again ..."
We've had 13% inflation over the past two years, so that adds about $26k to a $200k car if applied straight to car prices. Unless the economy tanks to the point where we get no inflation or some deflation, I'm not sure we're going back to prices of 2+ years ago on Porsches with low miles and a collectability aspect.
It sounds like you've already made up your mind. Then move forward. I just don't see older RS's worth anything beyond MSRP at this point as they are all out of warranty and not numbered cars. 240k is entering into the 992 RS territory
It sounds like you've already made up your mind. Then move forward. I just don't see older RS's worth anything beyond MSRP at this point as they are all out of warranty and not numbered cars. 240k is entering into the 992 RS territory
If there were no concerns about the brakes, I wouldn't hesitate to buy this car. In addition to pinning down the rotor measurements, I need to test drive the car again. When I test drove it before, it needed a lot of brake pedal force to slow the car. Now that the pads have been replaced, I need to see if that's still an issue. As far as warranty, it has 1.5 years of CPO remaining, and I can add another year for $2,500. 2.5 years isn't 4 years, but it's a decent warranty.
You say these cars aren't worth more than MSRP, but where are the examples of these things recently selling at MSRP or lower with a nice color like Miami Blue? I've looked and I can't find them. And the 992 3RS is at least $280k in a comparable build with PTS and PCCB, IF you can get it at MSRP, otherwise the market prices are well over $300k.
Do you own a 991.2 3RS? Shopping for one? Sold one?
If there were no concerns about the brakes, I wouldn't hesitate to buy this car. In addition to pinning down the rotor measurements, I need to test drive the car again. When I test drove it before, it needed a lot of brake pedal force to slow the car. Now that the pads have been replaced, I need to see if that's still an issue. As far as warranty, it has 1.5 years of CPO remaining, and I can add another year for $2,500. 2.5 years isn't 4 years, but it's a decent warranty.
You say these cars aren't worth more than MSRP, but where are the examples of these things recently selling at MSRP or lower with a nice color like Miami Blue? I've looked and I can't find them. And the 992 3RS is at least $280k in a comparable build with PTS and PCCB, IF you can get it at MSRP, otherwise the market prices are well over $300k.
Do you own a 991.2 3RS? Shopping for one? Sold one?
Assume they also did a fluid flush to try to sort out the pedal pressure issue? Do they acknowledge the issue?
2 of the Lizards I referenced yesterday sold, now 24 .2 RS on Cars. Referred a prospective buyer to a low mileage Racing Yellow listed in the $265k range (reduced from upper 2's) about 2 wks ago. Not sure if him or not, but sold. As new Racing Yellow w/ Weissach in soflo listed for $349k, good info suggests it went for somewhere btwn $290-300k, didn't take long. Buddy's low spec (Maybe $205-210k msrp) MB .2 RS, around 6k mls, sold within weeks listed in mid 2's. One w/ 35k mls listed in the $20x range recently, Black, sold within weeks.
Sought after .2 RS specs get into reasonable ask range, and they sell. Less desirable specs, high mileage, etc. list & sell for predictably less. Doesn't matter what guys on rennlist think they should hypothetically cost or 2019 msrp. As if it wasn't anticipatable enough, .2 RS looks like kind of a deal all of a sudden.
Assume they also did a fluid flush to try to sort out the pedal pressure issue? Do they acknowledge the issue?
2 of the Lizards I referenced yesterday sold, now 24 .2 RS on Cars. Referred a prospective buyer to a low mileage Racing Yellow listed in the $265k range (reduced from upper 2's) about 2 wks ago. Not sure if him or not, but sold. As new Racing Yellow w/ Weissach in soflo listed for $349k, good info suggests it went for somewhere btwn $290-300k, didn't take long. Buddy's low spec (Maybe $205-210k msrp) MB .2 RS, around 6k mls, sold within weeks listed in mid 2's. One w/ 35k mls listed in the $20x range recently, Black, sold within weeks.
Sought after .2 RS specs get into reasonable ask range, and they sell. Less desirable specs, high mileage, etc. list & sell for predictably less. Doesn't matter what guys on rennlist think they should hypothetically cost or 2019 msrp. As if it wasn't anticipatable enough, .2 RS looks like kind of a deal all of a sudden.
Doubt they did a flush. The only person who drove the car after replacing pads is a technician, and he said the brakes 'work' but a lot of pedal force still needed. I need to judge for myself and hope to test the car today.
I wouldn't say the .2 RS is a deal at these prices, but it's the last and best 991 GT car, and the last RS with a frunk, so I think there's a collectability aspect which will keep prices up. I think a bad recession is pretty much the only thing that will bring prices way down, and I don't rule out such a recession happening.
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