Are Dealers Willing To Move On Prices?
08-11-2020, 11:38 AM
#16
I don't think a rise in prices is sustainable - it may have been if there weren't pent-up demand ( a phenomenon that causes temporary increase in demand) from the lockdown, a new model coming, and the fact that the overall sports car market was already in decline pre-COVID. But it's quite a fruitless task to try and time the 'bottom' of a sports car's depreciation anyway. You may spend a year waiting for a price to drop 10k - it may never and then you've just wasted a year!
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sampelligrino (08-11-2020)
08-11-2020, 11:47 AM
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I watched listings for several months, waiting for the *perfect* spec to come available at a reasonably market price. This one doesn't have this or that one doesn't have that. There was always a reason. I shifted a bit and said what are the the must-haves vs. nice-to-haves? I ended up at FAL, LWB, extended tank (and Black, White, or GT Silver). Carbon, non-PCCB, satin black wheels, white dials, non-red stitching... sure there were small things that I preferred, but I reasoned that I was letting perfect being the enemy of good and, in this case, good meaning my first GT car that I suspected I was going to love.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
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08-11-2020, 02:30 PM
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I watched listings for several months, waiting for the *perfect* spec to come available at a reasonably market price. This one doesn't have this or that one doesn't have that. There was always a reason. I shifted a bit and said what are the the must-haves vs. nice-to-haves? I ended up at FAL, LWB, extended tank (and Black, White, or GT Silver). Carbon, non-PCCB, satin black wheels, white dials, non-red stitching... sure there were small things that I preferred, but I reasoned that I was letting perfect being the enemy of good and, in this case, good meaning my first GT car that I suspected I was going to love.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
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08-11-2020, 02:55 PM
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That's an issue, as the best deals are done face to face. The dealer never has an idea on who's on the phone. It's quite unlikely you'll get a deal from a dealer, who doesn't know you, on the phone. As has been said, plane fares are cheap now, so pick a destination area that happens to have a car you like. Bargain shamelessly face to face, and if you're unhappy with the deal, you still get a weekend vacation out of it.
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AlexCeres (08-12-2020)
08-11-2020, 05:03 PM
#20
I don't think a rise in prices is sustainable - it may have been if there weren't pent-up demand ( a phenomenon that causes temporary increase in demand) from the lockdown, a new model coming, and the fact that the overall sports car market was already in decline pre-COVID. But it's quite a fruitless task to try and time the 'bottom' of a sports car's depreciation anyway. You may spend a year waiting for a price to drop 10k - it may never and then you've just wasted a year!
Nothing is assured. Production decreases and delays may happen too. Especially with covid.
08-11-2020, 05:55 PM
#21
look at cayman pricing, the non turbo, and manual cars are at an all time high. 997.1 are stil in the 45 to 55 rangle. crazy high pricing. I dont see gt4's for under 90k sticker was in the 99 to 115 average. so i dont see pricing drop, especially when the new 992 will be 20 to 30k more, when equally equiped.
08-11-2020, 07:06 PM
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I watched listings for several months, waiting for the *perfect* spec to come available at a reasonably market price. This one doesn't have this or that one doesn't have that. There was always a reason. I shifted a bit and said what are the the must-haves vs. nice-to-haves? I ended up at FAL, LWB, extended tank (and Black, White, or GT Silver). Carbon, non-PCCB, satin black wheels, white dials, non-red stitching... sure there were small things that I preferred, but I reasoned that I was letting perfect being the enemy of good and, in this case, good meaning my first GT car that I suspected I was going to love.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
A car that met the required criteria showed up CPO at a local dealer with a good price. It didn't have white dials, it had red stitching, and it had red pinstriped wheels. I had been excluding cars with the wheel striping previously. Bottom line, car's in my garage right now, it's amazing, I have different wheels on it even though the red stripe grew on me, I never notice the dials, and the red stitching is fine--I added some P1 seat covers in a black gray and red tartan and leaned forward.
The little things that seemed so critical at the time didn't really matter once I had the car. YMMV, but ultimately defining the true deal breakers on those terms alone helped me get from a place where I was finding reasons not to buy a car to reasons to buy, which is what I actually wanted to do.
08-11-2020, 08:36 PM
#23
I genuinely don’t think the new model is going to change pricing that much. New car will be more expensive, adm on top of that as well. Seems like a nice optioned gt3 for a regular joe will be near 190k+ plus adm plus tax. You’re talking 220k+ for sure.
i recently got a fantastic deal on a 2018 gt3 and I’m extremely happy with it!!
i recently got a fantastic deal on a 2018 gt3 and I’m extremely happy with it!!
08-11-2020, 08:43 PM
#24
Good to hear this. I am in the same boat right now. My biggest hang up is leather doors and dash. Can you believe that is my big hang up on some really good GT3’s out there right now, for a car I plan to mostly track? Analysis paralysis. I’m sure if just get into the car to test drive, the engine will sell me.
drive it to and from work daily (but would add the neoprene rubber sleeves over the plastic tires that the guys who race them use...)...you just can’t get the sound and feel of the thing out of your person...the videos give you the sound but not the mechanical ness of it sitting right behind you...I’ve never tried crack but this might be pretty darn close to it I imagine...
rather than checking options for must haves maybe think of what can you definitely NOT tolerate on the car or inside with you and once you start driving you won’t care...for me red dials for instance, just couldn’t deal...
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08-11-2020, 09:41 PM
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Good to hear this. I am in the same boat right now. My biggest hang up is leather doors and dash. Can you believe that is my big hang up on some really good GT3’s out there right now, for a car I plan to mostly track? Analysis paralysis. I’m sure if just get into the car to test drive, the engine will sell me.
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RockyTopTenn (08-12-2020)
08-11-2020, 10:47 PM
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OP, I can relate to you wanting it to be perfect. As others have pointed out, it will be tough when you stack a lot of musts on top of one another especially since there are so many ways to configure these cars and not that many of them available.
Leather interior is nice because the rubber dash does seem cheap for a 6 figure car. Even one that will see significant track time. I had the rubber dash in a CPO C4S cab that I bought. I would have added leather, particularly for a non-GT car, but I didn't build the car. And the truth is that the rubber dash didn't steal any of the enjoyment I had with that car, but that was just my experience.
All that said, if having the perfect spec is worth the risk of never finding exactly what you want at your price and remaining on the sideline, only you can decide that.
Leather interior is nice because the rubber dash does seem cheap for a 6 figure car. Even one that will see significant track time. I had the rubber dash in a CPO C4S cab that I bought. I would have added leather, particularly for a non-GT car, but I didn't build the car. And the truth is that the rubber dash didn't steal any of the enjoyment I had with that car, but that was just my experience.
All that said, if having the perfect spec is worth the risk of never finding exactly what you want at your price and remaining on the sideline, only you can decide that.
08-11-2020, 11:11 PM
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Show them the "color of your money."
The best deal I ever got was when I wrote a check - for an aggressive, but fair amount, including taxes, title, etc... - and set it on the sales manager's desk saying basically "This is the only check I brought, cash it or tear it up, your choice..."
The best deal I ever got was when I wrote a check - for an aggressive, but fair amount, including taxes, title, etc... - and set it on the sales manager's desk saying basically "This is the only check I brought, cash it or tear it up, your choice..."
08-12-2020, 12:22 AM
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08-12-2020, 12:29 AM
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