cooler2442

What color is it? Makes a big difference. Black/Green and non WP probably 220-230ish since that's the least desirable colors and non WP but low miles.

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https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/details/Z2N5QV

i was hoping 15K over

cooler2442

A Porsche dealer will probably not go down from 255k to 225k for a CPO 3RS with only 3k miles sadly.

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correct, hence i’m asking what is reasonable price to offer

CubsFan1

How bad do you want this color with these options? If this is your perfect spec, then it’s worth whatever it takes to get you what you want.

IMHO, a reasonable price for someone fishing the market with a set budget, etc., then 230-240. In that case it really doesn’t matter what the dealer says. You make an offer and be fine with their response.

Manifold

I had a 991.1 GT3 for a long time, had 991.2 TTS for a while, currently have 991.2 C4S cab, 991.2 3RS, 992 GT3, and 992 TTS. So plenty of experience with 991 and 992 platforms, and no reason to be biased in favor of either.

I generally agree with his critique of the 992 GT3 and fully understand the reasons why he prefers the 991 GT3s. My own overall preference between 991 and 992 is in favor of the 991 cars.

But the 992 cars do have their appeal, and 'hating' the 992 GT3 suggests that someone is very particular about what they want and not open to a different kind of experience. The 992 cars are well loved by a lot of people, and many prefer them over the 991 cars. Porsche didn't mess up the GT3 with the 992, they just made it different.

markk222

Depending on how long they have had it, I’d go in with 235 and expect to come up. All they can say is no and 235 wouldn’t be insulting.

Gbos1

Saw this last night. In all honesty I agree with him whole heartedly! Driven both the 991.2 and 992 on the track HARD. The 991.2 feels more visceral especially on the street and just as good as the 992. The 992 did outperform the 991.2 on the track when pushing the cars to their limits! The 992 front suspension does shine on the track BUT you will NEVER experience that difference on the street ever or jail time is in your future. The 992 is hoppy or jittery on the street as well unlike the 991.2. The 992 and all the screens, bells, whistles, dings etc was a hard no for me! Very frustrating! I can totally relate to his comments around this 100%! The 992 feels too refined and not raw enough for me as well. The 991.2 with its center screen and discrete gauge screen is a nice balance of Analog Gauges and some digital. The 992 has taken it way too far with all the screens like I was in a new Cayenne or Macan. Like keeping up with Ferrari and others with all the digital tech. Could care less about that and more about the driving experience! A GT3 is supposed to be a race car for the street! Porsche needs to take a step back here because I feel the 991.2 was the last of the great GT3 IMO. The 992 GT3 seems to cater to a softer crowd and to please at cars and coffee than at the track. Would love to know how many 992s actually are driven hard at the track? Probably a small percentage based on my experiences at the track. Too many creature comforts in the 992. Bring back the raw GT3 experience!

Manifold

Porsche mass produces cars. 992 gen has gone to a more digital interior and the cars are engineered for more performance and refinement, less rawness, so that’s the effect on the GT3 also.

switchface

Can you expand upon how the 992 (in comparison to the 991.2) can be both too refined, catering to a softer crowd, driving more like a Panamera, etc - but then also being too hoppy and jittery on the street? I'm finding these at odds with one another and I'm trying to gain a better understanding having never driven a 992.

Manifold

It's actually true about the 992 GT3.

It has good damping programming, but the springs are relatively stiff, and the double wishbones in front change how the suspension reacts.

On a reasonably smooth road and going fast, the ride quality is excellent, feels velvety and plush.

On rougher roads, especially at slower speeds, the stiff springs don't compress much, so the car tends to bounce around and tramline.

IMO, the 992 GT3 ride quality generally isn't intolerable unless you mostly drive on bad roads, but I think the 991.1 GT3 had better ride quality without the car in any way feeling soft.

NHmacan

When I think of the refinement of a 992 I don't think the ride quality is more refined. The ride is more harsh and part of that is it has solid heim joints and stiffer springs. The refinement or I would say appealing to masses comes from the less analog interior with all the screens, drive modes, and dials on the steering wheel. Each generation of GT3 has become less driver focused in my opinion. The 996 and 997 GT3s were not produced in anywhere close to the numbers of 991 and 992 the GT3 is now the most produced variant of a 911.

Manifold

I would say the refinements of the 992 GT3 are these:

- More velvety ride quality on decent roads.

- Less sound from the engine and transmission, and overall a smoother sound.

- Handling more nailed down, less playful.

- Feels like a bigger car, and more spacious in the cabin.

- More digital interior.

Rod27

it is a bigger car

Manifold

I haven't checked the numbers. How do the track widths and wheelbase compare? We know the weight is about the same.