Any experience with Chicago Motor Cars?
05-19-2020 | 06:29 PM
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05-19-2020 | 06:37 PM
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My local Porsche dealers here got stuck with multiple (by multiple, I mean 2-3 GT2RS, 2-3 GT3RS, so many GT3s that they had to park all of them outside under snow, hail, bird poop, you name it) GT cars for months, I mean 12-15 months. And every single one of those cars tanked in value. People offered them sticker when they wanted markup. they didnt budge. In the end, they couldnt sell them for sticker. I found a few of those cars being sold by their other dealers in Audi or Mercedes around 30-40k less than their original sale price (and even then they couldnt sell them).
so no, its not the buyers. At least in my case.
I am offering them 12-15% under MSRP.
05-19-2020 | 07:16 PM
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I am not ignoring the market. There are cars that have been sitting for 60-90 days with the same list price. To me, that's an indication of them/sales people not knowing how to read the market.
My local Porsche dealers here got stuck with multiple (by multiple, I mean 2-3 GT2RS, 2-3 GT3RS, so many GT3s that they had to park all of them outside under snow, hail, bird poop, you name it) GT cars for months, I mean 12-15 months. And every single one of those cars tanked in value. People offered them sticker when they wanted markup. they didnt budge. In the end, they couldnt sell them for sticker. I found a few of those cars being sold by their other dealers in Audi or Mercedes around 30-40k less than their original sale price (and even then they couldnt sell them).
so no, its not the buyers. At least in my case.
I am offering them 12-15% under MSRP.
My local Porsche dealers here got stuck with multiple (by multiple, I mean 2-3 GT2RS, 2-3 GT3RS, so many GT3s that they had to park all of them outside under snow, hail, bird poop, you name it) GT cars for months, I mean 12-15 months. And every single one of those cars tanked in value. People offered them sticker when they wanted markup. they didnt budge. In the end, they couldnt sell them for sticker. I found a few of those cars being sold by their other dealers in Audi or Mercedes around 30-40k less than their original sale price (and even then they couldnt sell them).
so no, its not the buyers. At least in my case.
I am offering them 12-15% under MSRP.
05-19-2020 | 07:41 PM
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I am not shutting anyone down. I am sorry if I gave you that impression. I, as a person, do not like abstract statements that are too high up in the air. I like to stick to the facts and detail. So far all feedback given (with the exception of one person who gave great detail about his experience about the keyfob not working etc) have been very abstract. Everyone has been badmouthing them for buying cars from auction but when I ask what might be wrong, there is no good answer. One answer was people get in/out of the car many times between auctions. Thats true but that might be true for a brand new car that got stuck at the port and required software update as well. You cannot make these generalizations. Other feedback included saying things like "they are called Chicago Motor Car for a reason" or "look at this lawsuit from 2013" (which is the only documented negative thing about them). Their google and other website ratings are 90-99% 5 stars. I read every single one of them, they appear legitimate. I have not seen a single negative review on high end expensive cars. All negative reviews have been about older cars with miles. Maybe they treat each car/customer differently?
You are saying you have been "jacked around". What does that mean? Does that mean you called them and they ignored you? Or you sent the money and car never showed? You see my point? This could be several different things going wrong, completely benign to very serious.
You are saying you have been "jacked around". What does that mean? Does that mean you called them and they ignored you? Or you sent the money and car never showed? You see my point? This could be several different things going wrong, completely benign to very serious.
Good luck, it seems like you want the car, hope it works out for you
05-19-2020 | 07:42 PM
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As an aside- why do dealers reject reasonable offers and then auction them for less? For example last summer I offered $56K (cash- no trade) for a nardo gray 2018 Audi TTRS at Audi Marin- they were asking $59K. They never lowered their asking price, never called me back, and then 2 months later it was sold at auction to a Chicago Motor Cars-like dealer in CA for << $56K as the new asking price was, you guessed it, $56K. Doesnt make sense 😡
05-19-2020 | 07:50 PM
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As an aside- why do dealers reject reasonable offers and then auction them for less? For example last summer I offered $56K (cash- no trade) for a nardo gray 2018 Audi TTRS at Audi Marin- they were asking $59K. They never lowered their asking price, never called me back, and then 2 months later it was sold at auction to a Chicago Motor Cars-like dealer in CA for << $56K as the new asking price was, you guessed it, $56K. Doesnt make sense 😡
Did I miss something here? I mean sometimes certain dealers are just too "difficult" to work with.
05-19-2020 | 08:41 PM
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Auction per-se isnt automatically a bad thing...it just seems weird that on a well equipped hi-demand car (precovid 12/19) in an affluent neighborhood (porsche west broward)- that Porsche West Broward tries to sell as a CPO but then sends it to auction. Again doesnt necessarily mean something is wrong but does raise the question (for me at least)-
05-20-2020 | 07:36 AM
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Dude - I hate to say you are way over thinking it. Most smart people will not elaborate dealer issues on a public forum.
If I posted some question like you did, amd I saw pages of beware posts, i would look elsewhere. Period. Asking people to elaborate their issues in detail in public seems odd to me. All is Unless the said dealer had something so rare, iit couldnt be found elsewhere, which is clearly not the case here. You can buy a 991 GT3rs from a gazillion places.
If I posted some question like you did, amd I saw pages of beware posts, i would look elsewhere. Period. Asking people to elaborate their issues in detail in public seems odd to me. All is Unless the said dealer had something so rare, iit couldnt be found elsewhere, which is clearly not the case here. You can buy a 991 GT3rs from a gazillion places.
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05-20-2020 | 01:11 PM
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I am not chasing anything around. I am looking at multiple cars not just this one.
The reality of the situation is, Porsche dealers are the reason why I am considering this place. They are very hard to work with. some of them do not reply to emails for several hours or a day. Some of them do not come down even a dollar on their asking price, and this includes 991.1 RS cars with 5000-9000 miles, without CPO. They are very arrogant and I am not going to go bending over backwards just because they are a dealer. Only a handful of dealers have been communicating and trying to work with me.
As for CMC, I dont care about them nor I am defending them. I asked for advice and I asked for factual objective advice which was shared and I am grateful.
There is a fellow member here who has agreed to stop by and take a look at the car. I am grateful to him.
