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Black RS looks the business and one of my favorite colors if not the best
Black is typically my favorite car color, but I think the GT3RS has such gorgeous lines and black tends to hide them a little bit IMO. That’s why I chose GT silver. The black cars still look amazing though!
It's an easy question but difficult to give a straight answer.
600 LT/675 LT/Gt3rs I had a harness with race seats which helps greatly in confidence and lap times.
720s and GT2rs (summarizing others experience with GT2rs) have a lot of power. They are the fastest cars of the group but only in the right hands. You have to modulate more and use the brakes more. It is difficult to get consistent with them based on track conditions (typical HPDE day). At Laguna Seca; one can go flat past turn 1 in a gt3rs every time and you'll hit a speed of 136 mph. It is easy to do every time and you can go much deeper with 100% throttle. 720s it is not easy to do every time. You have to get the line correct 100% or abandon it as there is a chance of going sideways. If you hit it right then you'll get to 150 mph in 720s. It is easier to hold it flat in 600 LT and 675 LT and you'll hit 145 mph. However, you will feel it every time you try it (Pro's have a hard time holding it to turn 1).
You can go flat through turn 12 at Sonoma in a gt3rs every time and 600 LT but not so easy to do it with 675 /720/gt2rs. They are just simply very fast cars and you'll be going to fast and not able to manage the speed or the line with the walls on both sides.
You can go flat through turn 7 at Thunderhill in a gt3rs and you'll hit 120 mph before turn 8 and bring the speed to 106 mph to get it right. 720s, I would not be able to hold it flat and if I did, then I would be at 140 mph at the brake zone and it would be difficult to get it to 106 mph with the braking. 600 LT, you can hold it flat and get to 130 mph but hard to get the braking right to get it to 106 mph.
gt3rs has less power and easier to hold it flat in many areas and easier to get the braking right because you aren't going as fast as the Mclarens.
None of these cars are hold forever cars and track them for years and years. People will go in and out of these cars every couple of years (I hardlly know anyone who has been tracking the same porsche/mclaren over the last four years).
My risk tolerance will only allow me to go so fast and it is driving the Mac's at 7/10th's but still having a good time at track days. (very easy to pass people in a 720s). It'll take you longer to get bored with the Mac's because you'll probably never be able to drive 9/10 or 10/10th, whereas you can with a gt3rs.
Sonoma my fastest time so far was with 675 LT
Laguna Seca it is 720s
Thunderhill it is 600 LT.
Tremendous post. Kind thanks for your insight. What type of dedicated race car are you running? How does it compare?
Black is typically my favorite car color, but I think the GT3RS has such gorgeous lines and black tends to hide them a little bit IMO. That’s why I chose GT silver. The black cars still look amazing though!
i was torn between black or gt silver. I do agree GT silver shows the lines better without being too loud.
Tremendous post. Kind thanks for your insight. What type of dedicated race car are you running? How does it compare?
I have thought of it multiple times to get a dedicated race car. However, I have just stuck with the street cars. If I wasn't tracking the street cars then I do not see how I would use them and would probably stop buying them. Once you see how capable they are on track then you want to get that same feeling every time. My observations from tracking over the last four years tells me that 90% of the miles driven on race tracks around the world are on street cars (HPDE, Private rentals, etc.). I'm of the opinion that having a race car is only useful if one is going to race.
I only started to track because I wanted to be able to track the black car competently in the attached picture (Which I did achieve. I liked it and keep doing it now). It would have been a big regret later in life if one has these wonderful machines and did not put them through their paces on track.
Does Mclaren still require a dealer inspection before and after each track day for the warranty to be valid?
Best advice I can give you is to buy your Mac from the dealer that will service your car. One's ownership experience goes pretty smoothly if you do this (especially if you are going to be tracking the car).
The track inspection checklist isn't much different from the tech inspection sheet that one has to complete for normal track events.
People who regularly track have other methods/ways to get the track inspections done (ie; tires/fluids/brakes, etc.) and not run afoul of the warranty. At the end of the day; the manufactures don't want you to abuse the car without having someone regularly checking the car to make sure it is in top condition.
I have thought of it multiple times to get a dedicated race car. However, I have just stuck with the street cars. If I wasn't tracking the street cars then I do not see how I would use them and would probably stop buying them. Once you see how capable they are on track then you want to get that same feeling every time. My observations from tracking over the last four years tells me that 90% of the miles driven on race tracks around the world are on street cars (HPDE, Private rentals, etc.). I'm of the opinion that having a race car is only useful if one is going to race.
I only started to track because I wanted to be able to track the black car competently in the attached picture (Which I did achieve. I liked it and keep doing it now). It would have been a big regret later in life if one has these wonderful machines and did not put them through their paces on track.
There is nothing quite like getting some serious road cars on track... something incongruous about it which makes it so exciting
I'll give you a call this PM.. this is exactly why I need to get your input is I set up the next Hypercar Invitational
26 replies and one of them has all 3 (720s, 600 LT and gt3rs).
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
How would you compare gt3rs with 600LT? Both track and street driving.
26 replies and one of them has all 3 (720s, 600 LT and gt3rs).
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
Thanks for the detailed review of your experience. I was able to drive the GT3RS and the 600LT Spyder on the street and now I have a much better reference. It all came down to my wife falling in love with the 600LT.
Hope this helps. Enjoy your car shopping! I have both, enjoy them for different reasons.
I have all the cars on the list .2 3RS, 720S coupe, and 600LT. Done some track days and driving on them. 720S is perfect for mountain roads, road trips, and some track times. For the 600LT, I don't find 3RS that much enjoyable on mountain roads, gears are very tall.
I dislike driving 600LT coupe around town very much. the none stop pump noise from the front, the spartan alcantara interior, and the worst AC system in the current era. As for track tho, the 600LT comes alive, very very good track weapon. Not the same as 720s, can't be more different than 3RS.
If you are considering 600LT coupe, I would pass. 600LT spider tho, might be different story. Track days in the 3RS is about details, whereas 600LT is about laptime and how fast you can go around the next corner.
For reliability concern, my 600LT has been holding up very good but my buddy's 600LT keep going back to the shop for different reasons. But again, 6-8 track weekends are not that serious. As long as they are under warranty I don't see any problem there.
I hope the LT I get holds up like my 720S. Thanks for your much valued input.
maybe if youre talking about buying a new 600LT. However, you can’t get a preowned GT2RS for $250k like you can on a very lightly used 600LT.
Both great cars that offer different experiences.
This is what I found as well. I decided that because this will be a limited track car, I'm going to get the 600LT Spyder. It feels like a a go kart version of the 720.
How would you compare gt3rs with 600LT? Both track and street driving.
Is 600LT less reliable car if being pushed hard?
I only have positive things to say about all these cars (track and street driving) A big part of the decision is the cost of buying the car. However, contrary to car forums and the non stop "which car is better", etc., my experience is that people go in and out of cars and none of these cars are holds forever. Just a sample of people that I know who do street/track driving and their car buying history in the last 3 years (none of them are in the car industry, they are just enthusiasts).
The above examples are the typical type of people who own these cars and not what you see people fighting about, spewing fake news on car forums.
------ Many other such people I know who fit the above profiles. None of these cars are hold forever cars.
I only have positive things to say about all these cars (track and street driving) A big part of the decision is the cost of buying the car. However, contrary to car forums and the non stop "which car is better", etc., my experience is that people go in and out of cars and none of these cars are holds forever. Just a sample of people that I know who do street/track driving and their car buying history in the last 3 years (none of them are in the car industry, they are just enthusiasts).
The above examples are the typical type of people who own these cars and not what you see people fighting about, spewing fake news on car forums.
------ Many other such people I know who fit the above profiles. None of these cars are hold forever cars.
A lot of useful info in this thread (and also the “Mclaren Success” thread). I appreciate all the sharing of opinions and real-life experiences with the McLaren brand. As a long-time GT3/GT4 owner, I’m pretty familiar with the Porsche brand and everything that comes with it (i.e., known issues, service, warranty, depreciation). Since McLaren is a rarer and more exotic brand, it’s tough to get a “real” feel for what I’d be getting into if I purchased a 675LT or 720S. Apart from YouTube, McLarenLife forums, and this thread, are there any other sources for McLaren info?
Porsche and Ferrari have regular “cars and coffee” meet ups, but I haven’t found any similar Mac meetups where I can get up-close to these cars. I’m in Palos Verdes (SoCal), so the nearest dealer is a bit of a drive… and I’m not sure how friendly/willing they’d be to let me sit in their cars or even get a test drive.
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