'19 GT3RS or 600LT for fun and 6-8 Track weekends/yr.
#16
Race Director
The 600LT is very similar to the 720s, except it's more raw and has turbo-lag... and 720s is much faster.. not sure it's different enough though. Sounds like RS for you but you might disappointed with the power coming from a 720s..
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#18
With that 992 2 door Panamera no way ....will be awhile
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#21
If he wants more power then he can get a GT2RS.
#22
Race Director
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
If he wants more power then he can get a GT2RS.
#23
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Both great cars that offer different experiences.
#24
600LT is an awesome car but reliability isn’t quite there yet and a serious track driver would tire of the relative lack of grip compared to the power delivery. With the turbo you end up taming the car rather than finding its limits. I seriously looked at the 600 but they are an unknown in too many areas for hard track work, mainly due to the limited dealer and independents network. Would like to see them go through a couple of seasons of amateur racing and upwards to gather more know-how around the maintenance and mods required to sustain hard track work.
#25
Nordschleife Master
600LT is an awesome car but reliability isn’t quite there yet and a serious track driver would tire of the relative lack of grip compared to the power delivery. With the turbo you end up taming the car rather than finding its limits. I seriously looked at the 600 but they are an unknown in too many areas for hard track work, mainly due to the limited dealer and independents network. Would like to see them go through a couple of seasons of amateur racing and upwards to gather more know-how around the maintenance and mods required to sustain hard track work.
This general concern has kept me away even though I love the 600LT.
A presence in racing and especially IMSA would
improve the cars, boost confidence therefore resale and increase excitement and brand loyalty. More so than coming out with a new model every 6 months.
#27
As someone who has a 19 GT3RS and a 675LT spider and has driven a 600LT here is my view:
Get a 675LT spider. Words cannot describe how special it feels in both looks and driving it with the top down on a nice day. It looks and feels much more special than a 600lt and I prefer it over the gt3rs as well. MAYBE I would prefer the GT3RS for track duty but ...
I don’t track my exotic cars because I have a dedicated racecar and believe you are putting quite a bit at risk re both damage and depreciation to push street cars to the limit on track when you are a very advanced driver. Not to mention safety.
Thus, my view is if you are to a point you are doing 6-8 track weekends a year, you should consider also getting a spec boxster as a dedicated track car. Most competitive class, safer, very inexpensive in all regards and Effectively worry free.
Get a 675LT spider. Words cannot describe how special it feels in both looks and driving it with the top down on a nice day. It looks and feels much more special than a 600lt and I prefer it over the gt3rs as well. MAYBE I would prefer the GT3RS for track duty but ...
I don’t track my exotic cars because I have a dedicated racecar and believe you are putting quite a bit at risk re both damage and depreciation to push street cars to the limit on track when you are a very advanced driver. Not to mention safety.
Thus, my view is if you are to a point you are doing 6-8 track weekends a year, you should consider also getting a spec boxster as a dedicated track car. Most competitive class, safer, very inexpensive in all regards and Effectively worry free.
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#28
26 replies and one of them has all 3 (720s, 600 LT and gt3rs).
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
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#29
26 replies and one of them has all 3 (720s, 600 LT and gt3rs).
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
Let me be the second guy who owns all 3 to chime in...
600LT - 1,800 miles on the odometer. 1,600 of those miles at race tracks
720s - 6,700 miles on the odometer. 5,000 of those miles at race tracks
.1 gt3rs 6,600 miles on the odometer (i'm second owner and did 4,000 of those miles). 800 miles of those on a race track (I no longer have this car)
Since people mentioned 675 - 4,600 miles on the odometer. 4,000 miles of those on a race track.
720s - a passing machine and the best overall supercar in its price range
600 LT - Disappointed in the power at the beginning because 720s has so much damn power and is effortless to drive. 600 LT can be driven 8/10's with a decently good driver. 720s is about 6/10's with a decently good driver. gt3rs can be driven 9/10-10/10th's by a decently good driver (down on power compared to others and easier to maximize its performance.
No one that I know of who is track focused has been able to match their gt3rs lap time with their gt2rs lap time. Primarily because 10/10th's in a gt3rs can be achieved but that same driver is't going to be able to do more then 7/10th's in a gt2rs.
Mclaren warranties tracking - Porsche leaves wiggle room for themselves in the warranty to not cover if they don't want to.
All great choices - Get the one that is in your head. If you don't then you will regret it because you'll probably sell it shortly after buying and get the one that you wanted all along.
#30
600 LT/675 LT/Gt3rs I had a harness with race seats which helps greatly in confidence and lap times.
720s and GT2rs (summarizing others experience with GT2rs) have a lot of power. They are the fastest cars of the group but only in the right hands. You have to modulate more and use the brakes more. It is difficult to get consistent with them based on track conditions (typical HPDE day). At Laguna Seca; one can go flat past turn 1 in a gt3rs every time and you'll hit a speed of 136 mph. It is easy to do every time and you can go much deeper with 100% throttle. 720s it is not easy to do every time. You have to get the line correct 100% or abandon it as there is a chance of going sideways. If you hit it right then you'll get to 150 mph in 720s. It is easier to hold it flat in 600 LT and 675 LT and you'll hit 145 mph. However, you will feel it every time you try it (Pro's have a hard time holding it to turn 1).
You can go flat through turn 12 at Sonoma in a gt3rs every time and 600 LT but not so easy to do it with 675 /720/gt2rs. They are just simply very fast cars and you'll be going to fast and not able to manage the speed or the line with the walls on both sides.
You can go flat through turn 7 at Thunderhill in a gt3rs and you'll hit 120 mph before turn 8 and bring the speed to 106 mph to get it right. 720s, I would not be able to hold it flat and if I did, then I would be at 140 mph at the brake zone and it would be difficult to get it to 106 mph with the braking. 600 LT, you can hold it flat and get to 130 mph but hard to get the braking right to get it to 106 mph.
gt3rs has less power and easier to hold it flat in many areas and easier to get the braking right because you aren't going as fast as the Mclarens.
None of these cars are hold forever cars and track them for years and years. People will go in and out of these cars every couple of years (I hardlly know anyone who has been tracking the same porsche/mclaren over the last four years).
My risk tolerance will only allow me to go so fast and it is driving the Mac's at 7/10th's but still having a good time at track days. (very easy to pass people in a 720s). It'll take you longer to get bored with the Mac's because you'll probably never be able to drive 9/10 or 10/10th, whereas you can with a gt3rs.
Sonoma my fastest time so far was with 675 LT
Laguna Seca it is 720s
Thunderhill it is 600 LT.
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