Jzips

Well said.

groundhog

Well said like a magazine racer......go do it for real and see what happens

Done it - it isn't close. I can't be anymore emphatic - the times don't lie and I don't me DE stuff - I mean getting out there and competing on the clock for real.

Jickel180

The .1 GT3 provides most of the experience an RS delivers for a fraction of the cost. If you want to win the DE championship/bragging rights/penile swinging contest, go with a cup car - not an even more expensive street car.

It's easy to get sucked up into the vacuum of the forums where the latest is the greatest, but a .1 GT3 is still an amazing car in the real world.

groundhog

Rubbish it doesn't - a cup car is a narrow limited single type competition vehicle - it can't even be entered in many open competitions because they were never able to be road registered and the engine in the 991.1 GT3 is a a disgrace.

Try open manufacturer type events - the Porsche only DE stuff is seriously soft **** and slowwwwwwwwww

Don't have any patience for this type of crap . No need to say more typical rennlist delusional thread.

Manifold

Please provide details. I'm looking for comparisons of cars on same track, same day, same tires, pro driver.

At my home track, Summit Point, 991.1 GT3 can do 1:18s with Cup 2, 991 Cup car can do 12s, 997 Cup car can do 14s. On Cup 2 (not R), I estimate 15s for GT2 RS, 16s for 991.2 GT3 RS, 17s for 991.2 GT3 and 991.1 GT3 RS.

DK7

there are onboard videos of you on the track ? do you would prefer a 991.2 GT3 over a 991.1RS ?

CubsFan1

Manifold - Please take back your opinion and perspective. It appears you had a tough day at the track and still can't grasp how much more capable the RS is. I suppose you get a mulligan because it wasn't your car and you were taking it easy. Might I suggest you really push it next time and change your opinion... that the RS is better in every measurable way.

OK, OK, please everyone I am only kidding. I actually enjoying learning from others, even in threads like this. I appreciate the information about tires, professional drivers, skilled frequent rennlisters who have the knowledge and experience, etc. Obviously, some take what these cars can do very seriously and every incremental improvement is meaningful and important. Alternatively, I also appreciate reading feedback from those in the camp who are content. Seems the best way to solve some debates is simply get out there and race and enjoy. Cheers!

MaxLTV

It's a strange argument.

Is RS faster? It is, and by a good margin. I switched from extremely well-sorted and very familiar to me .1 GT3 to a .2 RS that I still cannot fully trust due to setup challenges, and my time improved by 2 seconds at Laguna. And that's from a very good lap in a .1GT3 to a sloppy lap in a .2 RS. Same generation MPSC2 tires.

But why does it matter? I cannot see a good reason for it to be important, frankly. Going faster due to a better car is not "better" by itself.

Is it better to drive? It depends. I felt like a hero in .1 GT3 because I could get everything it had out of it (although not consistently). I feel like a poser in .2 RS because I know there is over a second per minute I'm leaving on the table compared to what can be done even by a non-pro. So for my ego, RS is not the better car :-). For my driver skill, it probably is - it's a new challenge and a car that's much harder to drive at the limit. But it will be less exciting driven at the same or similar pace as GT3 because it will be further from its limit.

Is it worth the price difference? That's a completely strange question because the worth of money is vastly different for different people.

once4all

OP's main take away message is about rawness and excitement not which car is faster or has better track performance.

Driving 1 3RS vs. 2 3RS back to back on same road, the newer car is somewhat muted below ~ 6000-7000 rpm, both stock. Maybe not pushed hard enough cuz it's not his car.

orthojoe

I guess I'll chime in since I've owned both cars in question. I can see where manifold is coming from because I honestly have just as much fun trying to wring out a fast lap in my spec miata as I do in my .2RS. If you're there to challenge yourself and get the most out of the car, I'm not sure it really matters what car you are in as long as it's a well sorted/setup car. From that standpoint, NEITHER the .1 or .2RS is justifiable and you should just get a spec miata. Now, if you have to pick one, yes, the RS is better in every objective way. But, the sound and the feel are very similar indeed. It's a porsche. The lizard green and the big wing makes it feel like more of a special car, but that is totally subjective. Get what you like. None of these cars can be justified. I'm still happy that I moved up to a .2RS.

Psup4s

I upgraded from .1GT3 to a .2GT3RS and while both cars are similar the RS is def faster and gives you more confidence around the corners. An RS is an RS and it looks wayyyy better than any .1/ .2 GT3 imo , worth every penny to me and will be looking forward to 992 RS

Manifold

Thanks for sharing your perspective. What kind of lap time difference are you seeing at Laguna Seca on equal tires?

On the value question, my 991.1 GT3 was about $140k, which inflates to about $155k in today's dollars. A 991.2 GT3 RS is about $196k with similar spec. For that $40k difference, I'd get the RS; I think the difference in lap time alone is worth it. But for me the choice is between keeping a .1 GT3 I already have, which is now depreciated to a little over $100k and has 5 more years of engine warranty, versus swapping to get an RS at double the cost. I was hoping that the experience of the RS would make me splurge and get one, but it didn't work out that way.

I think you put your finger on it. Any decent car can be plenty fun if it's well sorted (and safe and reliable) and the driver focuses on trying to get everything out of the car. I have a friend who's an excellent driver and has both a 996 Cup and Miata, and he told me years ago that he finds them to be about equally fun. Nothing wrong with tracking expensive cars if someone can afford it, but we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that fun level increases substantially as a function of $ spent.

Agreed that aesthetics are totally subjective. When I want clean understatement, I prefer the GT3. When I want OTT blingtastic, I prefer the RS.

GentlemanRacer

Amen!

GentlemanRacer

Agreed that aesthetics are totally subjective. When I want clean understatement, I prefer the GT3. When I want OTT blingtastic, I prefer the RS.[/QUOTE]


RS is far from blingtastic...for that you need a gold-plated Lamborghini

orthojoe

Ooo, I can't give you a good answer on that one. Simply, on the .1 GT3 I did a 1:36.9 and in the RS I did a 1:33.0. BUT,

1). Tires on the .1 GT3 were Bridgestone Re71r and the dunlop maxx race 2 on the .2 RS.
2). I think I've progressed a decent amount as a driver since moving on from the .1.

So, I don't know for sure what the real difference is. I would guess somewhere in the range of 2 seconds.