Originally Posted by ipse dixit

no longer true.

Originally Posted by MaxLTV

Even if Ferrari does not lie, it's still "dry weight", which is a few hundred pounds below DIN or curb weight normally. But they also claim 80lbs lighter for Tributo than 488GTB, and the GTB was 3250lbs curb claimed and 3,412lbs real (Motortrend weight). For comparison, GT2 RS was 3355 lbs and GT3 RS was 3,245 lbs on Motortrend weigh-in. So that makes Tributo still heavier than GT3 RS but possibly lighter than GT2 RS. But yeah, it's not sub-3000lbs, and Ferrari is still full of shifts for saying that.

Originally Posted by pete95zhn

488 Pista at weighed at SportAutos' supertest (11/2019) 1481kg with full tank, no rollcage. Tested power was xxxhp*. 7:00'
Standard 488GTB weighed at SportAutos' supertest (12/2016) 1553kg with full tank, no rollcage. Tested power was 700hp. 7:22'
Mac 720S weighed at SportAutos' supertest (2/2019) 1437kg with full tank, no rollcage. Tested power was 748hp. 7:08'
Huracan Performante (12/2018) 1604kg / 608hp. 40kg extra from full cage and race seat. 7:08'

Porsches in the same supertest:
991 GT2RS (7/2018) 1513kg / 696hp. Full tank, Weissach-pack but a race seat from Cup. (+9kg) 6:58'
991.2 GT3RS (9/2018) 1443kg / 519hp. Full tank, Weissach-pack but a race seat from Cup. (no extra weight mentioned) 7:05'
All Nordschleife lap times by same driver, Christian Gebhardt. Different tires and weather conditions of course.

Calculate Pista's real weight from those numbers. OTH in issue 7/2108 was Pista's tracktest in Fiorano. In the text 90 kilos weight saving compared to GTB is mentioned. Then it would weight, with full tank, 1463kg (1553-90). Tank volume is 78l, so weight of the fuel is about 56kg. 1463-56=1407. Ferrari claims 1385kg dry. 22 kg missing...

EDIT: Pista's numbers from supertest added. Fuel tank is 78l, so fuel's weight is about 56kg. Then Pista's dry weight is about 1381kg and Ferrari's claim is valid. I just got the issue vial snailmail, so I haven't got time to read it through yet. But few notes: *They could not measure the power reliably because of tire slip in lower gears and too high wheel speed in 7th. Max Tq was 760 Nm @ 6400 RPM, Ferrari claims 770 Nm @3000. Tq curve was flat and above 750 Nm from 3400 to 6400 rpm... In pictures one can notice that Ferrari still provides only 4 point harness, without sub strap.

Originally Posted by A/S

Road and Track weighed a Press-Edition 488 Pista: 3,308 lbs. The car had nearly $100,000 on options, every single Carbon fiber option down the the expensive CF wheels.

How is 3,308 lbs = 3,047 lbs ? That a 261 lbs difference

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

no longer true.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

But independent testing and numbers do not lie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblOLdCUzA0



Sport Auto:

...........................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:58.28 (Cup2 R)
......................................Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03 (Cup2 R) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
............................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 7:05.41 (Cup2 R)
.......................Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro: 7:06.60 (Cup2 ZP(run flat))
....Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 7:07.99 (Trofeo R)
..........................................McLaren 720S: 7:08.34 (P Zero Corsa)
.........................................McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82 (Trofeo R)
Porsche 991 GT3 RS Manthey-Racing: 7:09.59 (Cup2 N0)
...............................Mercedes-AMG GT R: 7:10.92
..................Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90
...........................Porsche 991.2 Turbo S: 7:17.11
..................................Porsche 991.2 GT3: 7:18.20
........................................Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63
..................Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS: 7:23.77
.............................Ferrari 812 Superfast: 7:27.48

Originally Posted by CAlexio

It would make more sense for me to post this after mid-November when I've gotten some personal experience to contribure, but I'll chime in anyway as it's fun. I'll be tracking and doing timed laps in a Pista vs P1 vs LaF vs 918 weissach vs Huayra BC vs Agera R. it's an informal friend gathering but there is curiosity between us as to whether the Pista, newest arrival to the collection with its low weight and trick aero can keep up around a high horsepower track with hypercars. my hunch is that it feel feel less weildy to drive than the hybrid cars I've tested before which tend to feel like you have a big scary lump of weight ready to kill you if you're not very smooth in higher speed turns (P1 & LaF, 918 not so much). With a small v8 behind it, with supposedly newer aero and similar if not better brakes, the Pista should lose little to its older LaF sister, and hopefully any acceleration deficit will be compensated for under braking and with cornering speed. the BC & Agera are total wildcards as I have no experience with them.. more of a novelty than anything but still fun to explore. I'll post pics here with some updates.

Originally Posted by Perimeter

Will we be seeing you next week in Scottsdale?