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Old 01-05-2021, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by neoprufrok
I love mine. And being a future classic will depend on how many 992 Tourings are made and sold. I'm guessing there won't be as many Tourings as people speculate for the 992 generation - but who knows.

Each generation of GT3s have their fans and reasons why that generation is the ultimate. If you're looking inthe 991.2 911 generation, the Touring seems like the favorite (toss up with the GT2RS for some). The 911R is a future classic because limited build and the best of the 991.1 breed. 997.2 was the GT3RS 4.0... etc etc.

Me? I bought mine at 14k miles and now have 18k miles. It's my daily... LWB and all. I have ZERO intention of selling it and have ZERO thoughts of any other car I would drive to work and for road trips to LA and back (I live in Silicon Valley). That will also drive the price - many people who have this generation touring don't seem to be that willing to sell theirs - even with a 992 coming. That dries up demand and increases value... but I'm still not sold it's a future classic.
That 675LT you have my friend will be a classic (:
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Old 01-05-2021, 04:37 PM
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i dont think it will. but i hope it does. because it will make my winged .2 manual go up too lol.

i think they will sell quite a few 992 tourings. the demand seems high currently, and lots of people don't want to pay over sticker for a 991 and would rather just wait.

seeing how porsche wanted to crush 991R flippers with the release of the touring, they might make the new 992 touring more readily available to combat the current flipper market.


Old 01-05-2021, 04:55 PM
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It all depends on your definition of classic. I think in the future all GT cars will be sought after and somewhat collectible. The Touring will fall into this category. It make take 20 years or more and probably not in my lifetime so I don’t really care. The fact that we are even having this discussion is somewhat telling.
Whether it will fall into a particular person’s definition is another story.
Regular 911’s from the 60’s and 70’s are “classics” as far as I’m concerned but others may have a different opinion. Just enjoy the car and don’t worry about the future.
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Old 01-05-2021, 07:34 PM
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I think the 991.2 will be the least-produced of the 911 Touring packages, over the years. It was not an option until late in the 991.2 GT3 cycle and I think some who got winged GT3s would have opted for the Touring if they could have, not to mention that there are some out there who are now more intrigued in the GT3, now that there is an option without a wing. I think the Touring take-rate is going to be much, much higher in the 992. I'd have to double check my numbers but the number of 991.2 Tourings was, I believe, in the low thousands and the number of PTS Tourings in the USA is about 150. Not that many out there for a non-numbered, "non-exclusive" feature package.
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Old 01-05-2021, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche911GTS'16
I think the 991.2 will be the least-produced of the 911 Touring packages, over the years. It was not an option until late in the 991.2 GT3 cycle and I think some who got winged GT3s would have opted for the Touring if they could have, not to mention that there are some out there who are now more intrigued in the GT3, now that there is an option without a wing. I think the Touring take-rate is going to be much, much higher in the 992. I'd have to double check my numbers but the number of 991.2 Tourings was, I believe, in the low thousands and the number of PTS Tourings in the USA is about 150. Not that many out there for a non-numbered, "non-exclusive" feature package.
There were approximately 725-750 Touring for the USA as far as I can tell. Like you said not that many for a non-numbered car. Only time will tell how many 992’s there will be and what effect it has on the 991.2. I’m not talking about value, I’m talking about demand although they probably go hand in hand.
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:50 AM
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Reviving this thread, given the recent surge in 991.2 Touring pre-owned prices. Low-mileage, PTS examples are going for $100,000 over MSRP. I think the reason for this enthusiasm is multi-factorial. What is a "classic" anything is completely subjective. Some would argue that The Beatles, Shakespeare, or Michelangelo suck. I am not so sure that 991.2 Touring prices are going to decrease post-COVID. If nothing else, it is a highly sought-after car, even more so now than it was back in 2017 when it was first introduced as an alternative to the winged GT3.



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Old 06-02-2021, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Porsche911GTS'16
Reviving this thread, given the recent surge in 991.2 Touring pre-owned prices. Low-mileage, PTS examples are going for $100,000 over MSRP. I think the reason for this enthusiasm is multi-factorial. What is a "classic" anything is completely subjective. Some would argue that The Beatles, Shakespeare, or Michelangelo suck. I am not so sure that 991.2 Touring prices are going to decrease post-COVID. If nothing else, it is a highly sought-after car, even more so now than it was back in 2017 when it was first introduced as an alternative to the winged GT3.
A good thread to revive. So much to consider here with no absolutes and uncertain timing. So, lots of opinions. Historically, the first of anything produced by Porsche that was desirable AND produced in limited quantities seems to have held up pretty well over time. Therefore, anything else that makes it more scarce (e.g. PTS) should only enhance current and future value. I expect there will be quite a number of GT3Ts produced over the life-cycle of the 992 production run. Time will tell how this car is received but seriously doubt there will be any scarcity once all is said and done while the 991.2 is final in the books. And it will be interesting to see how what happens beyond the 992 impacts everything before it if the world shifts to EV. One other variable that seems to be in play now is how the GT3 seems to have gone more mainstream which broadens what was a narrower addressable market. I don't have data to support and could be wrong but I know quite a number of people that have moved from 4S, TT and TTS into a GT3 and the GT3T has been a catalyst for several. And many don't track. I wonder if this will hold up or grow over time. If the car has gone more mainstream, then you have a compounded effect of increased demand and limited supply (for the 991.2)- perhaps offset by migration to the 992.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:30 PM
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My comment about not being bad at picking collectible cars is hilarious in retrospect.

Personally, I am unhappy about the value shooting up on tourings, especially pts tourings. It’s just costing me more in insurance.
Old 06-02-2021, 01:11 PM
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Similar sentiments regarding the 991.2 Touring but waiting to check out the new 992 version when released. Should be soon.
Old 06-02-2021, 01:42 PM
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I think there is a general feeling absent all of the price appreciation/inflation/scarcity hype that suggests people are slowly realizing there is a sea-change coming to the Porsche car market. This applies to air-cooled and more recent "classics" from the GT ranks, perhaps similar to the known classic changes such as '98-'99 for example but to an even larger degree as we see adoption to some degree of hybrid/electric powertrains. This is going to be a rising tide yet generally unknown variable re value on any low production/GT Porsche until the market absorbs and sorts it out. Personally I don't see this as so much of an up and down, as a stair step that is lifting these values that likely won't see a downtrend regardless of the introduction of the 992GT3. We will see.
Old 06-02-2021, 02:30 PM
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I don't think the GT3 Touring will be a future classic. I'm saying this because for this reason there is the 911R!
Old 06-02-2021, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 908/3fan
I don't think the GT3 Touring will be a future classic. I'm saying this because for this reason there is the 911R!

but there are only so many 911Rs to be had....GT3T will be the next one....appropriate for the collectors who missed out on the 911R or cant afford them
Old 06-02-2021, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 908/3fan
I don't think the GT3 Touring will be a future classic. I'm saying this because for this reason there is the 911R!
There's always room for one more classic. Heck, I'm thinking of ordering Colorado Collector Plates 25 years ahead of time ;-)
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Originally Posted by 908/3fan
I don't think the GT3 Touring will be a future classic. I'm saying this because for this reason there is the 911R!
I’m not commenting on whether it will be a future classic (although it probably will be in the distant future) however your logic makes no sense. As an example I guess the 1973 911S is not a classic because of the 73 Carrera RS. It may not be on the same level but nevertheless a classic in my eyes and others.

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Old 06-02-2021, 06:59 PM
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Part of being a "Classic" is a feeling of attachment and association to the car.
Judging by owners' comments here, I see a lot of passion around GT3T ownership.
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