white6speed

I understand the fun associated with the MT but from a performance perspective ALL the other supercars have a trans similar to the PDK. Why do you guys think the rest of the competitive players dropped the MT. Is there a HP limit on MT's and have money shifts scared mfg and drivers.

RealityGT

It allows anybody and everybody to enjoy high HP without having to learn how to work a MT properly. Think vette vs viper..
Definitely helps those latte lovers..

spydersmiley

[QUOTE=white6speed;14449485] [...] ALL the other supercars have a trans similar to the PDK. [...] QUOTE]



Correct. Except for the Corvette Z06, I am not aware of a similarly positioned car that still has an MT. I would even bet that the new GT3RS will be PDK only. So, this GT3 might be the last high performance car ever which is offered with MT. Don't get me wrong - I am also back and forth between PDK and MT, but with a consistent slight preference for the MT.


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DoninDen

This is a very good question and I wonder if it is a HP limitation. There are modified 1,100 HP turbos with MT, so it seems there is more than enough room to keep them going. As far as the money shift, once the car is sold, what does the manufacturer card? I would think Ferrari of all the manufacturers would embrace MT to maintain that piece of their heritage.

This article claims:

1) Newer buyers want auto shift boxes because they know they are much faster and they don't know how to drive a manual (my interpretation)

2) Auto shifters have lower emissions and get better mileage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2016-06-17/why-can-t-you-get-your-300-000-supercar-with-a-stick-shift

disden

I sadly never thought about this when placing my manual order. A very valid observation. It's too late to change my order, already locked. oh wait, my RS is PDK! Oh wait, those damn buckets would not help. So it would seem if this is your goal by ordering the GT3, then PDK and sofas are ideal.

WenigerAberBeser

I don't think your argument on resale value is correct. Look at the numbers in these examples which you pointed to:
BMW M5: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...20144&zc=75034
F430: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28881&zc=75034
Gallardo: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...29632&zc=75034

As you can see, there is no difference in pricing between auto and manual, and I would go one step further to say the autos have a slight advantage.

It would be naive to think this is the last GT car Porsche will make with a manual, too. At the end of the day, get what makes you happier, not for resale.

I would also not buy a certain tranny to gain 'respect'? Respect from whom and why do you care?

kfmcmahon

obvious answer is one of each

Raghu

I have a 991.1 RS and a 981 Boxster Spyder. I have driven the RS 4175 miles since March of 2016 (When I bought it) and I have driven the Spyder 5750 miles since March, 2017 (I bought it with 1400 miles on it). For DD and for around town driving I always pick up the keys for the Spyder. When I want to drive the car really fast and take it to the track I always reach for the RS. This is the reason I have more miles on the Spyder in a fraction of the time that I have had it compared to the RS. There are so many things to think of on the track for an amateur (I hold an SCCA racing license) like me who drives infrequently on the track that the last thing I want to do is pick a wrong gear and reach the redline without intending to. I would rather not blow up my transmission on the track. Since I have a V200 for a CR MT 991.2 GT3 build in December 2017, I intend to drive it on the street and keep the .1 RS for the track until the .2 RS comes out and I will then build one with PDK as well so I have a really fast car that reaches its intended speed on the track while I continue to drive the MT .2 GT3 on the street.

white6speed

No one seems to talk much about the PDK's capabilities to in effect shift like a MT with a level of safety the MT may not have. Does the newness of the MT drive interest as there are lots of GT3s 14, 15, 16 including the RS that seem to get high marks as a great drivers car.

GrantG

As much as the PDK can try to emulate a manual (by flicking an electronic toggle switch without a clutch), don't forget that the Manual offers significant advantages of PDK with the Auto Rev-Match function (which can be turned on or off).

randr

"Modern" car engines are not only getting ever more powerful they are developing ever broader torque curves.

This combination is less forgiving on conventional manual gearboxes particularly if used in a performance context.

This does not make PDK better than manual, it just makes it more sensible for those that track their cars regularly (and sit in traffic regularly).

PDK is about longevity and reliability in this situation. Yes you can cut marginally quicker laps as well - however, fluff the line through just one corner and it will be back to being neck and neck with the manual.

Bottom line is as its always been, choose whats best for you, your particular needs and driving style.

SamFromTX

Frosty, I had a manual 991.2 Targa4S and the only lock out was during trying to go from 4th gear to 5th, it would lock you out if you inadvertently headed towards 7th. That made a lot of sense as 7 gears are VERY crowded and most manual drivers have muscle memory that took their hands furthest to the right when going to 5th, I think.

orthojoe

Matt, matt, matt. You're a good guy, but you are so absolutely, unequivocally wrong here. I don't think you are understanding how enormous of a difference 3 seconds is. It's an absolute massacre.

The difference between the 2 transmissions is marginal. I get sadistic joy out of proving people wrong, which is why I'm going with a manual GT3. I'm going to set times at all the norcal tracks, and we're going to see how many PDK drivers can meet or beat it. Prediction: even if the driver is known to be faster than me, it will be less than a second.

In the meantime, let's play a game. Here is a graph of speed data from a track in norcal 3 years ago. Same exact car (boxster spyder). Same tires. Same day, so identical conditions. One is a manual and one is a PDK. The section shown covers 1.6 miles and 1 minute 6 seconds. The time differential between the 2 cars in the graph shown is 0.1 seconds. Can you tell me which color is PDK and which one is manual? It should be easy to spot if the difference is as big as you say.




If you need a little help with reference, this is what a 3 second difference looks like on an entire track. I'll bet you can pick the faster car out easily on this one. Can you tell me what the difference is between these 2 cars?

randr

Orthojoe the driving is different is the top pane e.g look at the blue trace in the vicinity of the 2nd red triangle - clearly off the gas relative to the red trace.

The answer is close to .5 seconds over a minute to minute thirty. The whole point of PDK is performance consistency and performance longevity/reliability. Two hands on the wheel at all times on track is also a benefit.

orthojoe

So which is pdk? Blue or red? You have 2 other long straights to eval where one guy didn't have to lift for traffic .

0.5 seconds over 1-1:30 is too generous.