I want to stay with the P car, but...
04-10-2017, 02:24 AM
#61
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Most of the comments here allude to some sort of unrealistic leverage with the dealer. You, we, I might have bought five cars over the last ten years from a certain dealer but it means nothing really in today's marketplace. Going elsewhere in a huff only opens up a slot for the next guy who is willing to play. Not saying to play or not, that's a personal decision, but there is no leverage. Loyalty is hardly a factor anymore, look at the VIP program... there are a few good guy dealers out there but they are certainly the minority.
04-10-2017, 02:34 AM
#62
Most of the comments here allude to some sort of unrealistic leverage with the dealer. You, we, I might have bought five cars over the last ten years from a certain dealer but it means nothing really in today's marketplace. Going elsewhere in a huff only opens up a slot for the next guy who is willing to play. Not saying to play or not, that's a personal decision, but there is no leverage. Loyalty is hardly a factor anymore, look at the VIP program... there are a few good guy dealers out there but they are certainly the minority.
04-10-2017, 02:38 AM
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Most of the comments here allude to some sort of unrealistic leverage with the dealer. You, we, I might have bought five cars over the last ten years from a certain dealer but it means nothing really in today's marketplace. Going elsewhere in a huff only opens up a slot for the next guy who is willing to play. Not saying to play or not, that's a personal decision, but there is no leverage. Loyalty is hardly a factor anymore, look at the VIP program... there are a few good guy dealers out there but they are certainly the minority.
If that dealer loses sam forever, he will lose more than than 25K.
04-10-2017, 03:07 AM
#64
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This thread is touching on some very important trends:
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
Everyone wants to be special as some have said, but some are more special. Pick your battles. I won't ever be Ferrari special, so I ask Ferrari dealer if something is possible. I have no leverage to demand. He has 40 guys waiting.
2) yes there has been an ADM on RS cars. If the OP who wanted "100k back"...so your RS is worth 260 in trade for a 160 car? Ok so you are charging a 50k ADM to dealer? Guys it goes both ways. I traded in my RS for sticker to park place in dallas. They sold me 911R at sticker. I could have sold RS on my own for 255 or whatever but didn't play games since I knew they could have yanked my R and ebay'd for 500k. At least I gave them a shot to resell a car that was marketable. And to be fair they sold to Merit who then upsold to someone else. Oh well.
If either party takes all meat off every bone other side starves. Gotta play nice- this is relationship part. Mutual risk, mutual headache.
3) mac is gaining ground. Sure they only sell 3500 cars worldwide for 200k+ but they're targeting all of you guys. As a mac dealer I am here to make deals. You will like the power, the handling, and HOLY ***** YOU CAN DO PTS ANYTIME. What do I have to lose by selling or leasing you an enjoyable car?? Nothing. Lets party. Lets go on a drive.
This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen track days.
12 p1
3 675LT
15 viper acr
6 BAC mono
2 RS
2 GT4
1 570S
Maintenance: Lots of tires. 1 set P1 pads. 1 set ACR pads.
4) porsche's tow vehicle is a cayenne TT. That's 140k or so for a 'barely long enough to tow' vehicle. You can buy a used raptor or a diesel f250 for 45k that will work better, cost less to insure etc. This is a big issue for VW group- they don't make a real "Truck" that GT drivers need.
We need a tow truck, we need a daily driver. The Macan GTS is a rad daily driver in the city. The new Panamera is a good sedan and steers better than the benz and feels super solid compared to a lexus etc.
But you're gonna spend 80-180k on those cars? Not everyone can afford a GT car AND a Sport Turismo Turbo.
This is an issue, and until Porsche makes an M3 for your daily...you either drive a second 911(?) or a car that miiiiiiiiiiight not fit your exact needs.
And the more expensive your GT car relative to income, the less other ancillary Porsches you buy.
THIS IS THE BIG MISCALCULATION- they think guys will scale down into a GTS or C2S. Nope. If you are a GT car guy you will sell everything else (blood, toys, stereo collection) but claw for dear life on the 2011 RS etc.
Customer profiling is important, so here is how I see it as a dealer. These are the essential questions I wonder about everyone I meet.
Top car sought out:
Daily driver car:
Wife car?
Kids car?
What car is he taking on a road trip?
Snow/ bad weather car?
Headache of a personality?
Annual mileage total?
Collector or flipper?
Will he keep in good shape?
Is there a trade?
Brand loyalty or dealer loyalty included?
Track guy?
So i'll go first (maybe this is my next thread)
1) BP23, GT2RS, P15, Ford GT,
2) Cayenne S hybrid Purpurite / M5 stick
3) Raptor
4) too young
5) road trip car: 911R, M5,
6) snow car: Cayenne S or Raptor
7) i only want weird spec
8) 20,000+ annually
9) collector, trade /1031 to upgrade/ consolidate
10) my cars are not clay bar/ waxed but mechanically tight always, I clear bra everything
11) yes i trade in- good CPO!
12) 100% dealer loyalty, 5 brands (Porsche, Mac, Ford, BMW, Audi) and open to MB and Ferrari for right models.
13) track guy: 675LT, P1, BAC, RS, 350R,
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
Everyone wants to be special as some have said, but some are more special. Pick your battles. I won't ever be Ferrari special, so I ask Ferrari dealer if something is possible. I have no leverage to demand. He has 40 guys waiting.
2) yes there has been an ADM on RS cars. If the OP who wanted "100k back"...so your RS is worth 260 in trade for a 160 car? Ok so you are charging a 50k ADM to dealer? Guys it goes both ways. I traded in my RS for sticker to park place in dallas. They sold me 911R at sticker. I could have sold RS on my own for 255 or whatever but didn't play games since I knew they could have yanked my R and ebay'd for 500k. At least I gave them a shot to resell a car that was marketable. And to be fair they sold to Merit who then upsold to someone else. Oh well.
If either party takes all meat off every bone other side starves. Gotta play nice- this is relationship part. Mutual risk, mutual headache.
3) mac is gaining ground. Sure they only sell 3500 cars worldwide for 200k+ but they're targeting all of you guys. As a mac dealer I am here to make deals. You will like the power, the handling, and HOLY ***** YOU CAN DO PTS ANYTIME. What do I have to lose by selling or leasing you an enjoyable car?? Nothing. Lets party. Lets go on a drive.
This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen track days.
12 p1
3 675LT
15 viper acr
6 BAC mono
2 RS
2 GT4
1 570S
Maintenance: Lots of tires. 1 set P1 pads. 1 set ACR pads.
4) porsche's tow vehicle is a cayenne TT. That's 140k or so for a 'barely long enough to tow' vehicle. You can buy a used raptor or a diesel f250 for 45k that will work better, cost less to insure etc. This is a big issue for VW group- they don't make a real "Truck" that GT drivers need.
We need a tow truck, we need a daily driver. The Macan GTS is a rad daily driver in the city. The new Panamera is a good sedan and steers better than the benz and feels super solid compared to a lexus etc.
But you're gonna spend 80-180k on those cars? Not everyone can afford a GT car AND a Sport Turismo Turbo.
This is an issue, and until Porsche makes an M3 for your daily...you either drive a second 911(?) or a car that miiiiiiiiiiight not fit your exact needs.
And the more expensive your GT car relative to income, the less other ancillary Porsches you buy.
THIS IS THE BIG MISCALCULATION- they think guys will scale down into a GTS or C2S. Nope. If you are a GT car guy you will sell everything else (blood, toys, stereo collection) but claw for dear life on the 2011 RS etc.
Customer profiling is important, so here is how I see it as a dealer. These are the essential questions I wonder about everyone I meet.
Top car sought out:
Daily driver car:
Wife car?
Kids car?
What car is he taking on a road trip?
Snow/ bad weather car?
Headache of a personality?
Annual mileage total?
Collector or flipper?
Will he keep in good shape?
Is there a trade?
Brand loyalty or dealer loyalty included?
Track guy?
So i'll go first (maybe this is my next thread)
1) BP23, GT2RS, P15, Ford GT,
2) Cayenne S hybrid Purpurite / M5 stick
3) Raptor
4) too young
5) road trip car: 911R, M5,
6) snow car: Cayenne S or Raptor
7) i only want weird spec
8) 20,000+ annually
9) collector, trade /1031 to upgrade/ consolidate
10) my cars are not clay bar/ waxed but mechanically tight always, I clear bra everything
11) yes i trade in- good CPO!
12) 100% dealer loyalty, 5 brands (Porsche, Mac, Ford, BMW, Audi) and open to MB and Ferrari for right models.
13) track guy: 675LT, P1, BAC, RS, 350R,
though makes perfect sense.
04-10-2017, 03:13 AM
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Disagree. Someone who has owned 5 p cars in his life purchased from different dealers in different places is one thing, but a guy like samfromtx who bought 5 p cars all from the same dealer in 10-12 years, traded them back into the same dealer, and serviced them all at the same dealer represents a lot of profit to that dealer, more than the dealer makes by becoming a crook and trying to sell him a .2 GT3 with a 25K markup.
If that dealer loses sam forever, he will lose more than than 25K.
If that dealer loses sam forever, he will lose more than than 25K.
but as Sam wants all and all NOW!
same can be for his dealer right?
04-10-2017, 04:39 AM
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This thread is touching on some very important trends:
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
Everyone wants to be special as some have said, but some are more special. Pick your battles. I won't ever be Ferrari special, so I ask Ferrari dealer if something is possible. I have no leverage to demand. He has 40 guys waiting.
2) yes there has been an ADM on RS cars. If the OP who wanted "100k back"...so your RS is worth 260 in trade for a 160 car? Ok so you are charging a 50k ADM to dealer? Guys it goes both ways. I traded in my RS for sticker to park place in dallas. They sold me 911R at sticker. I could have sold RS on my own for 255 or whatever but didn't play games since I knew they could have yanked my R and ebay'd for 500k. At least I gave them a shot to resell a car that was marketable. And to be fair they sold to Merit who then upsold to someone else. Oh well.
If either party takes all meat off every bone other side starves. Gotta play nice- this is relationship part. Mutual risk, mutual headache.
3) mac is gaining ground. Sure they only sell 3500 cars worldwide for 200k+ but they're targeting all of you guys. As a mac dealer I am here to make deals. You will like the power, the handling, and HOLY ***** YOU CAN DO PTS ANYTIME. What do I have to lose by selling or leasing you an enjoyable car?? Nothing. Lets party. Lets go on a drive.
This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen track days.
12 p1
3 675LT
15 viper acr
6 BAC mono
2 RS
2 GT4
1 570S
Maintenance: Lots of tires. 1 set P1 pads. 1 set ACR pads.
4) porsche's tow vehicle is a cayenne TT. That's 140k or so for a 'barely long enough to tow' vehicle. You can buy a used raptor or a diesel f250 for 45k that will work better, cost less to insure etc. This is a big issue for VW group- they don't make a real "Truck" that GT drivers need.
We need a tow truck, we need a daily driver. The Macan GTS is a rad daily driver in the city. The new Panamera is a good sedan and steers better than the benz and feels super solid compared to a lexus etc.
But you're gonna spend 80-180k on those cars? Not everyone can afford a GT car AND a Sport Turismo Turbo.
This is an issue, and until Porsche makes an M3 for your daily...you either drive a second 911(?) or a car that miiiiiiiiiiight not fit your exact needs.
And the more expensive your GT car relative to income, the less other ancillary Porsches you buy.
THIS IS THE BIG MISCALCULATION- they think guys will scale down into a GTS or C2S. Nope. If you are a GT car guy you will sell everything else (blood, toys, stereo collection) but claw for dear life on the 2011 RS etc.
Customer profiling is important, so here is how I see it as a dealer. These are the essential questions I wonder about everyone I meet.
Top car sought out:
Daily driver car:
Wife car?
Kids car?
What car is he taking on a road trip?
Snow/ bad weather car?
Headache of a personality?
Annual mileage total?
Collector or flipper?
Will he keep in good shape?
Is there a trade?
Brand loyalty or dealer loyalty included?
Track guy?
So i'll go first (maybe this is my next thread)
1) BP23, GT2RS, P15, Ford GT,
2) Cayenne S hybrid Purpurite / M5 stick
3) Raptor
4) too young
5) road trip car: 911R, M5,
6) snow car: Cayenne S or Raptor
7) i only want weird spec
8) 20,000+ annually
9) collector, trade /1031 to upgrade/ consolidate
10) my cars are not clay bar/ waxed but mechanically tight always, I clear bra everything
11) yes i trade in- good CPO!
12) 100% dealer loyalty, 5 brands (Porsche, Mac, Ford, BMW, Audi) and open to MB and Ferrari for right models.
13) track guy: 675LT, P1, BAC, RS, 350R,
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
Everyone wants to be special as some have said, but some are more special. Pick your battles. I won't ever be Ferrari special, so I ask Ferrari dealer if something is possible. I have no leverage to demand. He has 40 guys waiting.
2) yes there has been an ADM on RS cars. If the OP who wanted "100k back"...so your RS is worth 260 in trade for a 160 car? Ok so you are charging a 50k ADM to dealer? Guys it goes both ways. I traded in my RS for sticker to park place in dallas. They sold me 911R at sticker. I could have sold RS on my own for 255 or whatever but didn't play games since I knew they could have yanked my R and ebay'd for 500k. At least I gave them a shot to resell a car that was marketable. And to be fair they sold to Merit who then upsold to someone else. Oh well.
If either party takes all meat off every bone other side starves. Gotta play nice- this is relationship part. Mutual risk, mutual headache.
3) mac is gaining ground. Sure they only sell 3500 cars worldwide for 200k+ but they're targeting all of you guys. As a mac dealer I am here to make deals. You will like the power, the handling, and HOLY ***** YOU CAN DO PTS ANYTIME. What do I have to lose by selling or leasing you an enjoyable car?? Nothing. Lets party. Lets go on a drive.
This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen track days.
12 p1
3 675LT
15 viper acr
6 BAC mono
2 RS
2 GT4
1 570S
Maintenance: Lots of tires. 1 set P1 pads. 1 set ACR pads.
4) porsche's tow vehicle is a cayenne TT. That's 140k or so for a 'barely long enough to tow' vehicle. You can buy a used raptor or a diesel f250 for 45k that will work better, cost less to insure etc. This is a big issue for VW group- they don't make a real "Truck" that GT drivers need.
We need a tow truck, we need a daily driver. The Macan GTS is a rad daily driver in the city. The new Panamera is a good sedan and steers better than the benz and feels super solid compared to a lexus etc.
But you're gonna spend 80-180k on those cars? Not everyone can afford a GT car AND a Sport Turismo Turbo.
This is an issue, and until Porsche makes an M3 for your daily...you either drive a second 911(?) or a car that miiiiiiiiiiight not fit your exact needs.
And the more expensive your GT car relative to income, the less other ancillary Porsches you buy.
THIS IS THE BIG MISCALCULATION- they think guys will scale down into a GTS or C2S. Nope. If you are a GT car guy you will sell everything else (blood, toys, stereo collection) but claw for dear life on the 2011 RS etc.
Customer profiling is important, so here is how I see it as a dealer. These are the essential questions I wonder about everyone I meet.
Top car sought out:
Daily driver car:
Wife car?
Kids car?
What car is he taking on a road trip?
Snow/ bad weather car?
Headache of a personality?
Annual mileage total?
Collector or flipper?
Will he keep in good shape?
Is there a trade?
Brand loyalty or dealer loyalty included?
Track guy?
So i'll go first (maybe this is my next thread)
1) BP23, GT2RS, P15, Ford GT,
2) Cayenne S hybrid Purpurite / M5 stick
3) Raptor
4) too young
5) road trip car: 911R, M5,
6) snow car: Cayenne S or Raptor
7) i only want weird spec
8) 20,000+ annually
9) collector, trade /1031 to upgrade/ consolidate
10) my cars are not clay bar/ waxed but mechanically tight always, I clear bra everything
11) yes i trade in- good CPO!
12) 100% dealer loyalty, 5 brands (Porsche, Mac, Ford, BMW, Audi) and open to MB and Ferrari for right models.
13) track guy: 675LT, P1, BAC, RS, 350R,
Sorry can't help myself
04-10-2017, 05:13 AM
#67
is my guess
04-10-2017, 10:37 AM
#68
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10 transactions in 5 years and as best I know he's always used the dealership for service. They have a really good service tech there. Sorry, but that's just bad business for Plano. You can try to score a short term payout, but losing that business will quickly exceed the market adjustment. Also, there are two other dealerships in the metro which I am sure would love to earn his business.
Sam: Is it time I or one of the other local track enthusiasts introduce you to the SM at PP?
Sam: Is it time I or one of the other local track enthusiasts introduce you to the SM at PP?
04-10-2017, 11:51 AM
#69
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
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This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen
This whole thing about track worthiness is poppycock. How many guys besides mooty or trackcar are actually doing more than a dozen track days a year? That's what I consider light track use...once a month. Medium is 2 dozen. Heavy is 3 dozen. In the last two years i've done barely over 3 dozen
04-10-2017, 11:58 AM
#70
Rennlist Member
It's really going down to who spends the most and then it will be a lottery. Having been a big spending customer does not guarantee me anything in the future unfortunately. I have been I would say a very loyal customer in terms of service along with sell and buy back of many many cars, all through the dealer. There are going to be a lot of ticked off, loyal customers, who will be SOL. I could very well be one of them and if I don't get a car I will be an unhappy camper. In the first place, there are only so many cars to go around.... There could well be more big spenders then I am at the dealership, more influential types, if you will, and you know where that leaves me...
04-10-2017, 01:26 PM
#71
Burning Brakes
I have bought 3 non-GTs in my lifetime and yet I have a GT3 and am high up the list for a .2 and a little further down for the RS. Buying a GT car didn't used to require a grand gesture of gratitude by the way, and in some places still doesn't. The demand rose because the GT3 is a far more desirable option to a wider audience since Porsche offered it in PDK and made the suspension quite livable.
Here's the simple reality- Porsche can choose to make the cars its buyers demand in sufficient quantity or it can lose buyers like me to the competition. It's their choice and my wallet is open awaiting the decision.
Here's the simple reality- Porsche can choose to make the cars its buyers demand in sufficient quantity or it can lose buyers like me to the competition. It's their choice and my wallet is open awaiting the decision.
You are a perfect example. Say you own the Porsche dealership. Why would they want to sell you a GT car?
Even though you have bought 3 Porsches in your lifetime, they weren't all from that local dealer and they have't seen your $ in years. I'm just guessing here
You don't like anything in the current or future product lineup.
There is no chance they are going to get the opportunity to sell you a regular car.
When there are so many people that want GT cars, they need to sell them to their most valuable customers. The allocations can be gestures of gratitude to their biggest buyers or sweetener for regular car deals. Either way, that's much better for their dealership.
Check out CJ's dealership points system thread. It seemed to be almost universally accepted and if you boil it down, customers (allocations) are ranked according to their value to the dealership.
Even though you have bought 3 Porsches in your lifetime, they weren't all from that local dealer and they have't seen your $ in years. I'm just guessing here
You don't like anything in the current or future product lineup.
There is no chance they are going to get the opportunity to sell you a regular car.
When there are so many people that want GT cars, they need to sell them to their most valuable customers. The allocations can be gestures of gratitude to their biggest buyers or sweetener for regular car deals. Either way, that's much better for their dealership.
Check out CJ's dealership points system thread. It seemed to be almost universally accepted and if you boil it down, customers (allocations) are ranked according to their value to the dealership.
Last edited by mcsmcs1; 04-10-2017 at 01:58 PM.
04-10-2017, 02:37 PM
#72
Three Wheelin'
This thread is touching on some very important trends:
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
,
Buyers feeling marginalized
ADM and reverse of ADM
McLaren's are starting to claw market share mentally and awareness wise
Porsche dealers have cars the GT buyer does not necessarily "need"
1) the local guy who buys the most cars and provides the least headache wins. We have a customer who leases cayennes, panameras, wants a used RS, and is willing to sign ROFR on a GT3. He's getting one. --
second guy: out of towner- i get a call asking for 10k off every car on our small lot, tells me be buys cars from all over, gives me a hard time for not knowing he has a 430 spider, has 610 FICO. wants GT2RS PTS. Derp.
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04-10-2017, 02:57 PM
#73
Rennlist Member
I have the same dealer as Sams. I've been threatening to goto McLaren for a year now and figured out a way to puss out every time I start to pick up the phone. I'm getting much closer....I just love this brand so damn much....
04-10-2017, 03:18 PM
#74
RL Community Team
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You LOL like it doesn't happen. It does, more often than you think.
I am involved in sales with a product of an average price of $800k. You wouldn't believe what some people think they can afford vs. what they can really afford. Works in both directions too, the cheapest bastards I deal with are the ones with the most money....guess that's how they got that way.
I am involved in sales with a product of an average price of $800k. You wouldn't believe what some people think they can afford vs. what they can really afford. Works in both directions too, the cheapest bastards I deal with are the ones with the most money....guess that's how they got that way.
04-10-2017, 04:51 PM
#75
He didn't include you because you never come down to Buttonwillow. 
That being said, I try hard to do over 20 days per session but hustling with 2 jobs and the rain will keep me under 20 this season (and I don't have a wife and kids to answer to either). 
That being said, I try hard to do over 20 days per session but hustling with 2 jobs and the rain will keep me under 20 this season (and I don't have a wife and kids to answer to either).