C.J. Ichiban

Poor guys

treynor

That's with the lift active. At normal (non race) ride height it looks like this:


When you're late for that 8am meeting...

928cs

Nice reference. I'm not sure that many people get it

RealityGT

You park

Conekilr

ipse dixit

C.J. Ichiban

Anything in that range is great for an independent test

Waxer

C.J. Ichiban

the 600LT is better than the GT3, better be for the price!
the 720 is faster than everything in most real life scenarios vs GT3RS...

now the issue is that the cost of mclarens is higher. Gt3 at 170 is 70-100k under mclaren stuff. McLarens are safer to crash at these speeds due to CF tubs. Porsche's have bigger tires and generally that's why they are faster on track driven by factory drivers. ride quality is not even close- 650/675/720 are well beyond any porsche road cars.

porsches are fantastic especially given the cost side of it- but then again a 16 Boxster Spyder is a better car than a 16 Gt3 using that metric.

it is a complicated formula and at the end of the day- there is a formula we all use differently to determine how we make the dumb decisions of spending 100k+ on a car.

odwa

CJ, I have read many replies on multiple topics that you provide here on Rennlist and truly respect your candor, objectivity and honesty. Thank you!

Waxer

CJ, thanks for the reply. Both cars have their + amd -'s. As you know I am smitten by the 600LT based on our PMs. Will likely buy one at some point, and would like it to be from you. Yes, we all have our matrix's to evaluate these cars and they differ from person to person. You are spot on. .
Based on my matrix I still see the cars as a lateral move, not a step up unless going from a GT3 or RS to a P1 or Senna.
See you bought your Raptor back. Good move! Love mine!!! Best truck and the only truck I am aware of that garners thumbs up from others.

Yippiekiaye

treynor

Two additional thoughts from another multi-brand owner:
1. CJ's analysis matches mine. The McLarens have markedly quicker acceleration than the equivalent Porsche; the Porsche have substantially more lateral grip than their McLaren counterpart. The McLaren ride quality is far more cushy on the street than the Porsche, and thanks to the carbon tub you can get both McLarens in convertible form without sacrificing, well, anything except your wallet. The Porsche is the car I'd take to a track day; the McLaren is the car I'd pick for a dragstrip visit or a road trip. Both are fun for a Saturday jaunt in the hills.
2. The Raptor seems to be a common element amongst enthusiasts of all brands. I have a blue '17.

richk

Have to second that. While CJ is a dealer he's quite the competent driver. I had a couple of great laps @ Buttonwillow in his 675LT.

GrantG