McLaren Success
02-07-2017, 09:17 PM
#168
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He posted a slideshow - click the arrows for more pics...
02-08-2017, 06:10 AM
#171
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thank you neoprufrok! what a slideshow! 
I also guess that the 675LT will be currently more track focused than the first 720S. faster what to expect will be the 720S.
hopefully this weekend are more than a couple of 570s to see in Idiada/Spain. http://www.applusidiada.com/images/1...lication%2Fpdf
i got already a message that all cameras will be taken and phone-cams will be covered with neon stickers.
in exactly one month in Geneva we will know everything. whom i will meet at the McL stand?
We should always keep in mind that new models at McL are 4times out of 5 model-updates with "prettied up design + engine software&suspension setup + some small updates" but a new name.
in another way it wouldn´t be possible to bring another 15 "models" the next 5 years.
I also guess that the 675LT will be currently more track focused than the first 720S. faster what to expect will be the 720S.
hopefully this weekend are more than a couple of 570s to see in Idiada/Spain. http://www.applusidiada.com/images/1...lication%2Fpdf
i got already a message that all cameras will be taken and phone-cams will be covered with neon stickers.
in exactly one month in Geneva we will know everything. whom i will meet at the McL stand?
We should always keep in mind that new models at McL are 4times out of 5 model-updates with "prettied up design + engine software&suspension setup + some small updates" but a new name.
in another way it wouldn´t be possible to bring another 15 "models" the next 5 years.
02-08-2017, 12:01 PM
#173
On a Track like Silverstone, a 918 on my maths would be around 80Mtrs plus in front at the first corner. Not seen anything on the this new car that leads me to believe that it will corner quicker or out- brake quicker than a 918 over any of the 13 corners, This is without the advantage that the 918 will also have on the straight's..
3 secs plus sounds about right in Favour of a 918, round a track like Silverstone.
3 secs plus sounds about right in Favour of a 918, round a track like Silverstone.
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02-08-2017, 12:22 PM
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All this talk about track times... can be argued ad nauseum. I only care what track time I set in the car I'm in and how it feels to me driving it. First, the 720S will be great, but it won't be their track special. Second, let's wait to see what McLaren actually says officially. Third, if you haven't driven a McLaren on track - you won't understand. My LT is brilliant on track and I honestly only compare to myself. Having driven the GT4 at Sonoma, it's brilliant too. But if I would track a streetable track car - it would be the LT hands down.
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02-08-2017, 12:23 PM
#175
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That is a good looking McLaren.
02-08-2017, 12:25 PM
#176
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Originally Posted by thebishman
But for how many laps? 1-2? Does the battery stay charged enough to give the 918 it's AWD advantage after that many laps? I was under the impression that it doesn't, but am probably wrong. Again! lol
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I was very lucky indeed to go to the 720 preview and I can certainly confirm that this car has at least three or four huge changes over previous ones. It is certainly a complete new design. Its a new car.
Forget the 675LT - this will blow it away. It makes it look like a dinosaur and probably will make it look as about as fast as one as well.
I was told by a main dealer that on a track in Italy it (the 720) beat the Porsche 918 lap time by 3 seconds and I have no reason to believe it was not true (on that particular track). Now we must consider its under one third of the price of the Porsche.
If that stat is true then that is utterly mind blowing.
For me its about the clever use of the power and how all of that extra torque cuts in way way down the rev range. Then combine that with the lower weight, huge increase in downforce, and very very clever aerodynamics, and that starts to show why its going to be fast - very very fast. As you guys that race know - its not all about brute bhp - its got a great deal to do with delivery of that and then how much of that you can put down on the track without the car losing its handling and grip.
Its in this area that the 720 probably beats just about any other road car and for me it lived up to its hype.
MCL have been very clever with this design and used the phrase "form following function" several times. The new styling is great - it is more aggressive but its all been driven by a functional need - and not just made to look pretty for the fun of it.
My very best mate, Urs Tschudin (The MCL Mileage man), who was with me for the reveal, has ordered one but will wait beyond the launch cars so he can spec it out himself. I met another Swiss guy who has a P1 and also 2 off 675 LTs and he will be having a 720 now and thinks on the road there will be no difference to speak of between the 720 and his P1.
Ill leave it to others to spoil the launch at Geneva that Ill also be attending and MCL really dont deserve to be let down given their kindness and willingness to preview the car to a select lucky few.
I will tell you though - this is one super cool car (or is it a cool super car??) that will give Hyper cars a run for their money (on the road) at Super Series car prices. Its another big step forward for MCL and the competition will not like what they see at Geneva.
For those that can afford it - get your deposits down now.
I will tell you - the Spider version has not yet been signed off and will be 2 or maybe even 3 years away. When you see the design - you will understand why that is.
Forget the 675LT - this will blow it away. It makes it look like a dinosaur and probably will make it look as about as fast as one as well.
I was told by a main dealer that on a track in Italy it (the 720) beat the Porsche 918 lap time by 3 seconds and I have no reason to believe it was not true (on that particular track). Now we must consider its under one third of the price of the Porsche.
If that stat is true then that is utterly mind blowing.
For me its about the clever use of the power and how all of that extra torque cuts in way way down the rev range. Then combine that with the lower weight, huge increase in downforce, and very very clever aerodynamics, and that starts to show why its going to be fast - very very fast. As you guys that race know - its not all about brute bhp - its got a great deal to do with delivery of that and then how much of that you can put down on the track without the car losing its handling and grip.
Its in this area that the 720 probably beats just about any other road car and for me it lived up to its hype.
MCL have been very clever with this design and used the phrase "form following function" several times. The new styling is great - it is more aggressive but its all been driven by a functional need - and not just made to look pretty for the fun of it.
My very best mate, Urs Tschudin (The MCL Mileage man), who was with me for the reveal, has ordered one but will wait beyond the launch cars so he can spec it out himself. I met another Swiss guy who has a P1 and also 2 off 675 LTs and he will be having a 720 now and thinks on the road there will be no difference to speak of between the 720 and his P1.
Ill leave it to others to spoil the launch at Geneva that Ill also be attending and MCL really dont deserve to be let down given their kindness and willingness to preview the car to a select lucky few.
I will tell you though - this is one super cool car (or is it a cool super car??) that will give Hyper cars a run for their money (on the road) at Super Series car prices. Its another big step forward for MCL and the competition will not like what they see at Geneva.
For those that can afford it - get your deposits down now.
I will tell you - the Spider version has not yet been signed off and will be 2 or maybe even 3 years away. When you see the design - you will understand why that is.
02-08-2017, 12:29 PM
#177
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It all depends on the driver and the driving mode.
In Race mode, it works exactly like the Race mode in a P1, with the added advantage of brake regen. So if both cars are lapping, a P1 will be stranded on the side of the track running out of gas before a 918. (It has a smaller tank, less electric help and greater fuel consumption)
In Hot Lap mode, there are not that many in the world that can drain the car. There is a extra 'step' in the gas pedal, step past that and the e-motors goes all in. But if the gas pedal is not stepped past that detent, the engine can still recharge the battery. It basically broils down to how brave a driver is to keep the foot down to the metal and for how long during a lap in order to really drain the battery.
02-08-2017, 01:51 PM
#178
If driven by someone who seriously knows what he's doing, a 918 will drain it's battery in ~4 laps at Silverstone even in 'race hybrid' mode I'm given to understand. And on 'hot lap' mode I'd assume rather a lot quicker than 4 albeit going a decent amount faster.
02-08-2017, 04:25 PM
#179
In Race mode, it works exactly like the Race mode in a P1, with the added advantage of brake regen. So if both cars are lapping, a P1 will be stranded on the side of the track running out of gas before a 918. (It has a smaller tank, less electric help and greater fuel consumption)
Brake regeneration - we have no numbers to know how much that contributes.
The 918 is also heavier, and probably has higher drivetrain losses (simply more moving parts there, a lot more).
02-08-2017, 07:01 PM
#180
Pretty disheartened by how hard it is get Porsche GT cars...got a cancelled GT3 PTS, but missed on GT3 RS, and can't get a 991.2 allocation. Drove the 570S, 488 GTB, and GT3RS at Exotic Racing in Vegas. 488 = $300K / GT3RS = $240K / 570S = $200K. I am happy with the Mac...
