991 GT2RS
06-04-2017, 01:47 AM
#1291
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If those numbers are right, then is this car really better than a 720S?
06-04-2017, 01:58 AM
#1292
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The 993 and 997 GT2 variants were special. Light-weight , short wheel base, nimble and powerful, manual transmission, high-powered turbo drivers cars that were a unique experience to pilot, and were very different from any other car produced in the world at the time.
The 991 GT2RS will have roughly the same HP and same weight as what's expected to be announced for the 488 speciale next year. The 991 GT2RS has less power than the current 720S and and even less power compared to the expected "745LT" coming in 2019. It weighs almost 500 lbs more than the current 720S, and likely 550 lbs more than the upcoming 745LT.
All three of these cars (GT2RS, 488, 720/745LT) have TT engines, long wheelbases, RWD, DCT, and priced around $300,000.
Despite the funky red interior pics, I just don't see how the GT2RS will feel that much more emotional or special to drive than a 488 speciale or "745LT".
I know that all produced 991 GT2s will be purchased by Porsche addicts, but I just don't see how the GT2RS will be that special (compared to the other two cars) to drive when the weight, transmission, power, and # produced will be very similar to the 488 Speciale coming next year, and the current 720S (and upcoming "745LT") will destroy the 991 GT2RS in performance due to higher power, much, much less weight, and more advanced suspension of the McLarens.
Last edited by Drifting; 06-04-2017 at 04:09 AM.
06-04-2017, 02:56 AM
#1294
Unfortunately if the they do actually only build 1,000 cars, we'll have the 991R part 2 going on. Let's hope they build more so the guys that really want these cars get them.
06-04-2017, 04:09 AM
#1295
I'm still struggling to see why the 991 GT2RS is that special.
The 993 and 997 GT2 variants were special. Powerful, light-weight , short wheel base, nimble, manual transmission drivers cars that were a unique experience to pilot, and were very different from any other car produced in the world at the time.
The 991 GT2RS will have roughly the same HP and same weight as what's expected to be announced for the 488 speciale next year. The 991 GT2RS has less power than the current 720S and and even less power compared to the expected "745LT" coming in 2019. It weighs almost 500 lbs more than the current 720S, and likely 550 lbs more than the upcoming 745LT.
All three of these cars (GT2RS, 488, 720/745LT) have TT engines, long wheelbases, RWD, DCT, and priced around $300,000.
Despite the funky red interior pics, I just don't see how the GT2RS will feel that much more emotional or special to drive than a 488 speciale or "745LT".
I know that all produced 991 GT2s will be purchased by Porsche addicts, but I just don't see how the GT2RS will be that special (compared to the other two cars) to drive when the weight, transmission, power, and # produced will be very similar to the 488 Speciale coming next year, and the current 720S (and upcoming "745LT") will destroy it in performance due to higher power, much, much less weight, and more advanced suspension of the McLarens.
The 993 and 997 GT2 variants were special. Powerful, light-weight , short wheel base, nimble, manual transmission drivers cars that were a unique experience to pilot, and were very different from any other car produced in the world at the time.
The 991 GT2RS will have roughly the same HP and same weight as what's expected to be announced for the 488 speciale next year. The 991 GT2RS has less power than the current 720S and and even less power compared to the expected "745LT" coming in 2019. It weighs almost 500 lbs more than the current 720S, and likely 550 lbs more than the upcoming 745LT.
All three of these cars (GT2RS, 488, 720/745LT) have TT engines, long wheelbases, RWD, DCT, and priced around $300,000.
Despite the funky red interior pics, I just don't see how the GT2RS will feel that much more emotional or special to drive than a 488 speciale or "745LT".
I know that all produced 991 GT2s will be purchased by Porsche addicts, but I just don't see how the GT2RS will be that special (compared to the other two cars) to drive when the weight, transmission, power, and # produced will be very similar to the 488 Speciale coming next year, and the current 720S (and upcoming "745LT") will destroy it in performance due to higher power, much, much less weight, and more advanced suspension of the McLarens.
Porsche abandoned the hp war long ago. While other manufactures are giving customers ever cheaper power, Porsche generally refuses to:
The GT2 RS has been the lone exception, and indeed if the quoted numbers are correct we're looking at a new point around 467 hp per ton and 280-320k on this graph, far above the trend line (like the old GT2 RS):
Where Porsche have tried to compete, on the other hand, is setup and lap time. Many on paper much lighter and more powerful rivals have fallen short when measured against the clock- put the 918s stats next to the P1s and La Ferrari's, for example. Porsche will try a similar trick again, and I'd bet on them to succeed.
I read "under 7 minutes, we haven't tested it yet or finalized the specs" as Porsche code for "we're beating the 918, we're not sure about the Peformante yet". So we'll have another 911 (not a supercar remember) taking supercar scalps and then going for lunch. Which is long as it has been.
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I'm a manual fan and I'd like the option in principle. I'll admit however that if I had the money for this thing I'd think very hard before ticking a MT box. My experience with GT2s is that they are "both hands on the wheel" kind of cars...
Last edited by Petevb; 06-04-2017 at 05:10 AM.
06-04-2017, 05:15 AM
#1298
Doesn't add anything, but here is the Top Gear mag article:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/sup...che-911-gt2-rs
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/sup...che-911-gt2-rs
06-04-2017, 05:30 AM
#1299
Race Car
Went to bed then woke up finding that internet exploded...
Fully rose-jointed: Wonder what the service intervall will be - I have no experience of stuff like that.
Fully rose-jointed: Wonder what the service intervall will be - I have no experience of stuff like that.
06-04-2017, 06:21 AM
#1300
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mhh fully rose-jointed! 
but for fück´s sack... why 1.000units limited.!?
"better calculation for production tools" <-- BS!!
the thing is 70t€ over a .1 3RS this x 1.000 units is: 50Mio for R&D and production... and with sold 2-4.000 cars it could be 100-200Mio ...
i think the real reason is homologation, but also therefore i can´t find a valid reason/info.
no need to play in 2017 the "limited-game". back in 997 times it was necessary...
i think P likes to play. and this i (as nobody in terms of getting allocations) clearly don´t like.
but for fück´s sack... why 1.000units limited.!?
"better calculation for production tools" <-- BS!!
the thing is 70t€ over a .1 3RS this x 1.000 units is: 50Mio for R&D and production... and with sold 2-4.000 cars it could be 100-200Mio ...
i think the real reason is homologation, but also therefore i can´t find a valid reason/info.
no need to play in 2017 the "limited-game". back in 997 times it was necessary...
i think P likes to play. and this i (as nobody in terms of getting allocations) clearly don´t like.
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06-04-2017, 06:26 AM
#1301
1.000 units, is it sure?
Perhaps marketing...
Perhaps marketing...
06-04-2017, 06:40 AM
#1302
Burning Brakes
I wonder why they decided to go CF roof for the Weissach package? I thought the reason Porsche went Mag on the 3RS was because it was lighter than CF. Maybe CF offers more stiffness so a better fit when combined with the Rose Joints? Looks like an awesome car none the less. I'm excited to see several nods to the 997 2RS in the interior. Can't wait to see what other little secrets get revealed like the sprayed intercoolers, that definitely comes as a surprise!
06-04-2017, 06:50 AM
#1303
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EVO: http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/194...2-rs-prototype
out from the link above:
The PDK allows the use of Porsche’s electronically controlled locking differential, it allowing anywhere from 0-100% lock up. The wheels, 20 inches front, 21 at the rear, are shod with 265/35 ZR20 and 325/30 ZR21 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres specifically developed for the GT2 RS.
Weight is down, via the usual GT department means, the expectation of under 1500kg, though given its huge output Preuninger says it’s just not been necessary to remove every last bit of sound deadening. Nor has the rear glass been replaced with Perspex in the ultimate pursuit of weight loss. The glass is thinner, the GT2 RS coming with Gorilla Glass, the type used on smartphone covers, which will please US customers, where Perspex windows are illegal.
Yes, you can still delete the a/c, radio and infotainment, but nobody will. If you’re mass obsessed Porsche will offer a Weissach pack, which drops 30kg off the kerbweight. That’s possible thanks to some exotic metals, including magnesium wheels - these alone responsible for a 12kg drop over the standard alloy ones. The Weissach car’s cage is titanium for a 7kg saving, while the GT department has found a way of making the roof out of carbon fibre that’s lighter even than the standard lightweight magnesium roof that’s pinched from the GT3 RS.
PCCB features as standard, the front discs cooling aided by the NACA ducts positioned on the bonnet. It will, Preuninger promises, look significantly different to the GT3 RS (and hence the prototype here), with GT2 RS carbon elements featuring heavily, from the vented outlets above the front wheels to the side intakes, front splitter, rear diffuser and more. Even so, downforce should be around the same as the GT3 RS.
out from the link above:
The PDK allows the use of Porsche’s electronically controlled locking differential, it allowing anywhere from 0-100% lock up. The wheels, 20 inches front, 21 at the rear, are shod with 265/35 ZR20 and 325/30 ZR21 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres specifically developed for the GT2 RS.
Weight is down, via the usual GT department means, the expectation of under 1500kg, though given its huge output Preuninger says it’s just not been necessary to remove every last bit of sound deadening. Nor has the rear glass been replaced with Perspex in the ultimate pursuit of weight loss. The glass is thinner, the GT2 RS coming with Gorilla Glass, the type used on smartphone covers, which will please US customers, where Perspex windows are illegal.
Yes, you can still delete the a/c, radio and infotainment, but nobody will. If you’re mass obsessed Porsche will offer a Weissach pack, which drops 30kg off the kerbweight. That’s possible thanks to some exotic metals, including magnesium wheels - these alone responsible for a 12kg drop over the standard alloy ones. The Weissach car’s cage is titanium for a 7kg saving, while the GT department has found a way of making the roof out of carbon fibre that’s lighter even than the standard lightweight magnesium roof that’s pinched from the GT3 RS.
PCCB features as standard, the front discs cooling aided by the NACA ducts positioned on the bonnet. It will, Preuninger promises, look significantly different to the GT3 RS (and hence the prototype here), with GT2 RS carbon elements featuring heavily, from the vented outlets above the front wheels to the side intakes, front splitter, rear diffuser and more. Even so, downforce should be around the same as the GT3 RS.
06-04-2017, 08:14 AM
#1305
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I'm happy for you, but I'm still struggling to see why the 991 GT2RS is special?
The 993 and 997 GT2 variants were special. Light-weight , short wheel base, nimble and powerful, manual transmission, high-powered turbo drivers cars that were a unique experience to pilot, and were very different from any other car produced in the world at the time.
The 991 GT2RS will have roughly the same HP and same weight as what's expected to be announced for the 488 speciale next year. The 991 GT2RS has less power than the current 720S and and even less power compared to the expected "745LT" coming in 2019. It weighs almost 500 lbs more than the current 720S, and likely 550 lbs more than the upcoming 745LT.
All three of these cars (GT2RS, 488, 720/745LT) have TT engines, long wheelbases, RWD, DCT, and priced around $300,000.
Despite the funky red interior pics, I just don't see how the GT2RS will feel that much more emotional or special to drive than a 488 speciale or "745LT".
I know that all produced 991 GT2s will be purchased by Porsche addicts, but I just don't see how the GT2RS will be that special (compared to the other two cars) to drive when the weight, transmission, power, and # produced will be very similar to the 488 Speciale coming next year, and the current 720S (and upcoming "745LT") will destroy the 991 GT2RS in performance due to higher power, much, much less weight, and more advanced suspension of the McLarens.
I'm happy for you, but I'm still struggling to see why the 991 GT2RS is special?
The 993 and 997 GT2 variants were special. Light-weight , short wheel base, nimble and powerful, manual transmission, high-powered turbo drivers cars that were a unique experience to pilot, and were very different from any other car produced in the world at the time.
The 991 GT2RS will have roughly the same HP and same weight as what's expected to be announced for the 488 speciale next year. The 991 GT2RS has less power than the current 720S and and even less power compared to the expected "745LT" coming in 2019. It weighs almost 500 lbs more than the current 720S, and likely 550 lbs more than the upcoming 745LT.
All three of these cars (GT2RS, 488, 720/745LT) have TT engines, long wheelbases, RWD, DCT, and priced around $300,000.
Despite the funky red interior pics, I just don't see how the GT2RS will feel that much more emotional or special to drive than a 488 speciale or "745LT".
I know that all produced 991 GT2s will be purchased by Porsche addicts, but I just don't see how the GT2RS will be that special (compared to the other two cars) to drive when the weight, transmission, power, and # produced will be very similar to the 488 Speciale coming next year, and the current 720S (and upcoming "745LT") will destroy the 991 GT2RS in performance due to higher power, much, much less weight, and more advanced suspension of the McLarens.
