EVO Video 991 GT3 v M12C - Unbelievable!
08-22-2013, 03:46 AM
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And whilst you were on the subject of Targa's....Eric Bana's little ode:
08-22-2013, 04:05 AM
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I'm getting very confused:
One group on this forum wants race car, another would like a DD, yet another says dual purpose car.
Many people would kill for 25 more HP, but will happily give up lap time for a chance to "row there own".
The GT3 is inadequate because it's a little slower than the 458 Speciale at less than half the price.
The GT3 is inadequate because it is only a little faster than the Corvette at more than twice the price.
The GT3 fails because, despite clearly outperforming its predecessors, it is too comfortable.
The GT3 fails because it isn't as good as the forthcoming RS, about which we know next to nothing.
The GT3's durability is questionable despite Porsche's long time reputation for reliability on the track and on the street. The 991 seems to have avoided first year problems, but that doesn't matter. It's cooling hoses and CL's that are the worry. Porsche surely overlooked fixing those issues! Of course, there is no question about the Corvette or Ferrari. We'll just rush right out and buy one.
I could go on with my confusion, but I think I will just shut up and drive.
One group on this forum wants race car, another would like a DD, yet another says dual purpose car.
Many people would kill for 25 more HP, but will happily give up lap time for a chance to "row there own".
The GT3 is inadequate because it's a little slower than the 458 Speciale at less than half the price.
The GT3 is inadequate because it is only a little faster than the Corvette at more than twice the price.
The GT3 fails because, despite clearly outperforming its predecessors, it is too comfortable.
The GT3 fails because it isn't as good as the forthcoming RS, about which we know next to nothing.
The GT3's durability is questionable despite Porsche's long time reputation for reliability on the track and on the street. The 991 seems to have avoided first year problems, but that doesn't matter. It's cooling hoses and CL's that are the worry. Porsche surely overlooked fixing those issues! Of course, there is no question about the Corvette or Ferrari. We'll just rush right out and buy one.
I could go on with my confusion, but I think I will just shut up and drive.
08-22-2013, 04:33 AM
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egads....and I thought you were dangerous as a Kiwi...only to discover you're a Pom?.....
And whilst you were on the subject of Targa's....Eric Bana's little ode: Love the Beast Trailer - YouTube
Hull?
Stephen Fry on Oxford - YouTube
And whilst you were on the subject of Targa's....Eric Bana's little ode: Love the Beast Trailer - YouTube
Hull?
Stephen Fry on Oxford - YouTube
I was going to mention this video. I ordered it about 3 months ago after being told I would love it by the same guy who knows me well and told me Id love the 991 GT3. Hes a automotive test engineer and done many NZ and Tassi Targas. I did love it and its a great car flick for anyone downunder.
08-22-2013, 09:23 AM
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Well put.. This whole thread, and in fact seemingly every thread on the 991 GT3 on this forum reminds me of this:
Argument Clinic - YouTube
Argument Clinic - YouTube
08-22-2013, 09:43 AM
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They lost me when they called the under equipped12C THE benchmark for going fast around a circuit. Where and when? Rcompound level grip like what the dunlops have proven to provide tend to have the huge effect on braking turn in and overall grip he was raving about. Especially when compared to reg old street tires.
Cant wait until the car gets tested in the US so we can see whats really up.
Cant wait until the car gets tested in the US so we can see whats really up.
08-22-2013, 10:47 AM
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egads....and I thought you were dangerous as a Kiwi...only to discover you're a Pom?.....
And whilst you were on the subject of Targa's....Eric Bana's little ode: Love the Beast Trailer - YouTube
Hull?
Stephen Fry on Oxford - YouTube
And whilst you were on the subject of Targa's....Eric Bana's little ode: Love the Beast Trailer - YouTube
Hull?
Stephen Fry on Oxford - YouTube
..didnt even know they had a university..but it wasnt far from you..
08-22-2013, 10:49 AM
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08-22-2013, 10:53 AM
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yeah but youre comparing apples and oranges..the 12c time is verified and tested by Sport Auto..the other is just a manufacturer claim. I highly doubt that the 991 GT3 will beat the 12C..at the long straight at Döttinger Höhe the 475HP will never be enough to keep up with the 12C (620HP)...
September issue of Sport Auto will reveal the last puzzle piece...
September issue of Sport Auto will reveal the last puzzle piece...
08-22-2013, 11:48 AM
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They lost me when they called the under equipped12C THE benchmark for going fast around a circuit. Where and when? Rcompound level grip like what the dunlops have proven to provide tend to have the huge effect on braking turn in and overall grip he was raving about. Especially when compared to reg old street tires.
Cant wait until the car gets tested in the US so we can see whats really up.
Cant wait until the car gets tested in the US so we can see whats really up.
08-22-2013, 11:51 AM
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What tires does the 12C come with? I kinda doubt they're crappy street tires.
08-22-2013, 12:04 PM
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So the next GT3. . . . will be a GT2?
08-22-2013, 12:17 PM
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an array of turbo engines are in the pipeline, yes.
only the flagship though, will be called turbo
there would be further virtual carnage if they got rid of n/a all-together....imagine that?
climate is changing fast.
hybrids
turbos
pdks
electronics
lifestyle...
i don't know if i can adapt, will stick to moving coil cartridges, valves and electrostatics i think! haha
only the flagship though, will be called turbo
there would be further virtual carnage if they got rid of n/a all-together....imagine that?
climate is changing fast.
hybrids
turbos
pdks
electronics
lifestyle...
i don't know if i can adapt, will stick to moving coil cartridges, valves and electrostatics i think! haha
08-22-2013, 01:36 PM
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Somewhere along the line, with all this progress, I guess we all have to choose when (if) to get off the merry-go-round. Some did with the waterpumpers. Some will with the PDK only GT3 approach. But I suspect we all have our limits. Once we go hybrid with a virtual engine soundtrack piped through the vehicle's soundsystem, I'll put my NA non-turbo non-hybrid in shrink wrap.