I got to drive a new Cayman GTS
08-02-2014, 10:37 PM
#31
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i believe 7.2GT/RS can be turned off completely, not 7.1 however.
08-03-2014, 11:29 AM
#32
it must be possible with a software hack.
08-07-2014, 03:56 PM
#33
Nannies and turning them really 'off'....
I doubt it will have 3 PSM settings.
they always cut back in any how ;-)
just a question about PSM off on yours, do you disconnect the Yaw electrics to stop PSM cutting back in on sharp turns.
I can get my PSM light to flash and cut back in on the exit of tighter turns which is a pain even when fully off. happens on my R also.
they always cut back in any how ;-)
just a question about PSM off on yours, do you disconnect the Yaw electrics to stop PSM cutting back in on sharp turns.
I can get my PSM light to flash and cut back in on the exit of tighter turns which is a pain even when fully off. happens on my R also.
a) 996 gt3 had ABS but no nannies.
b) The .1 997 gt3 & RS had ABS and Traction Control (TC), but no Electronic Stability Control (ESC). But there was a button to turn TC off! And that seemed to work very well:
https://rennlist.com/forums/8597068-post47.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...-mean-off.html
c) The .2 997 gt3 & RS & the current 991 gt3 have ABS, Traction Control (TC) and Electronic Stability Control (ESC). That is the combination of electronic nannies which Porsche has come to call 'Porsche Stability Management' or PSM. According to Porsche, on the gt3's the 'PSM can be completely deactivated in two stages for deliberately sporty handling'. See attachments. But is it really off?
What I think OrthoJoe & mrd are talking about is that regardless if you turn off ESC or ESC+TC, the electronic safety systems kicks back in (unexpectedly) under certain circumstances. But are the those things that would trigger it? Braking might be it for the non-gt3 models...but it couldn't possible be true for the gt3, correct? Otherwise, what is the point off turning them off on the track if they come back on after braking for the first turn?
We also have some threads on this subject from the past:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7898...on-or-off.html
Can someone care to elaborate more on this subject so that we understand the PSM off 'problem', if you want to even call it that? Torque vectoring is always 'on' for those Porsche models with it, correct?
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08-07-2014, 07:27 PM
#35
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08-13-2014, 05:33 PM
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08-13-2014, 07:57 PM
#37
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My understanding is that the PSE is the same, but the GTS model includes a sound symposer that directs sound from in engine into the rear of the cabin. This accounts for the difference in sound from the GTS model vs the regular.
08-25-2014, 12:56 AM
#40
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My remus equipped spyder does sound relatively sedate...
No way in hell the GTS passes sound at laguna. Not even sure if turn away pipes will be enough
No way in hell the GTS passes sound at laguna. Not even sure if turn away pipes will be enough
08-25-2014, 09:26 AM
#41
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Joe, I'm curious since you have a Spyder and a GT3 on order, what's up with the BRZ? Is it not a buzzy little cheapster next to the Porsche? Or are there other attributes (besides price) that make it worth-while. I had a wild hair this weekend thinking that it might make a good, inexpensive track car.
08-25-2014, 10:37 AM
#42
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My 911 has PTV. It is noticeable on the street, you don't need it just for the track. It's not that it gives you more grip, it's just that the rear end feels more planted as you accelerate through a turn, less likely to step-out on you. Maybe not such a big deal with the 981/987, which is better balanced than the 911. I have read that rear brake wear is excessive if you track it. And there's no way to turn it off. Joe, I'm curious since you have a Spyder and a GT3 on order, what's up with the BRZ? Is it not a buzzy little cheapster next to the Porsche? Or are there other attributes (besides price) that make it worth-while. I had a wild hair this weekend thinking that it might make a good, inexpensive track car.
BRZ is my daily driver. I see no need for a flashy, fast, expensive car to use as a DD. Better gas mileage, no worrying about dings and crazy drivers damaging the car, but still fun to drive.
The BRZ is a fun track car, but it had issues with durability on track, so I have since retired it from the track and use it solely as a commuter.
08-25-2014, 10:52 AM
#43
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One more thing. The steering. I can't see why anyone would complain about it. It's perfect. Porsche seems to be improving on steering feel with each model. I distinctly remember noticing the electric steering feel on my friends 2013 boxster. I cannot notice it in the GTS.
08-25-2014, 02:34 PM
#44
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The sound is intoxicating - the experience on the Boxster GTS with the top down must be even more amplified. Nicely done Porsche!
Great to hear that the steering feel is sorted out with these latest models too.
I wonder how many Spyder owners will "defect" to the GTS camp... I still think that the Spyder is a classic but not sure about the Cayman R.
Great to hear that the steering feel is sorted out with these latest models too.
I wonder how many Spyder owners will "defect" to the GTS camp... I still think that the Spyder is a classic but not sure about the Cayman R.
08-25-2014, 08:45 PM
#45
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The sound is intoxicating - the experience on the Boxster GTS with the top down must be even more amplified. Nicely done Porsche! Great to hear that the steering feel is sorted out with these latest models too. I wonder how many Spyder owners will "defect" to the GTS camp... I still think that the Spyder is a classic but not sure about the Cayman R.