Priced BETWEEN 911 and 911S????
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Priced BETWEEN 911 and 911S????
According to C&D this is going to be a $70k hardtop Boxster. It is supposed to fall between the 911 and 911S models for price. I guess for me that makes buying a 911 a no-brainer. The Cayman might be faster but the new 911 is so much more car, and not exactly slow.
Seems like an odd marketing strategy to me, I was hoping for a $50k hardtop Boxster. How do they expect it to compete at 911 prices?
Seems like an odd marketing strategy to me, I was hoping for a $50k hardtop Boxster. How do they expect it to compete at 911 prices?
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I saw this short article and think C&D is just flat out wrong or mis-informed.....can't believe they actually published it. However if on an outside chance they are correct I won't even be thinking
about a Cayman anymore......way too overpriced.
I too was hoping for a great 3.2L 280hp low $50k coupe......which is what it should have been all along.....maybe the non-S version will fall into this catagory. If the S version comes in right at $60K I might still spring for it, but its getting frustrating to see the amount of profit Porsche wants from their cars lately.
about a Cayman anymore......way too overpriced.
I too was hoping for a great 3.2L 280hp low $50k coupe......which is what it should have been all along.....maybe the non-S version will fall into this catagory. If the S version comes in right at $60K I might still spring for it, but its getting frustrating to see the amount of profit Porsche wants from their cars lately.
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Well....I have 20 years worth of C&D issues on a bookshelf, they aren't THAT far off too often. Hopefully you are right and they just had some bad info.
When you consider though that they are talking about a 300 hp 3.4L, which is close to the original 996 engine, in a lighter car.... The performance, by comparison to the 911 models, might dictate such a price.
The mark-up kills me as well. Having bought a new Cayenne S, and knowing the invoice price via the internet, makes buying anything new from them painful. No other major automaker is able to consistently get a $10k per vehicle profit at the dealer. Of course, nobody else is selling Porsches
When you consider though that they are talking about a 300 hp 3.4L, which is close to the original 996 engine, in a lighter car.... The performance, by comparison to the 911 models, might dictate such a price.
The mark-up kills me as well. Having bought a new Cayenne S, and knowing the invoice price via the internet, makes buying anything new from them painful. No other major automaker is able to consistently get a $10k per vehicle profit at the dealer. Of course, nobody else is selling Porsches
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sorry for the noob question, but can someone explain to me why the "911 is so much more car" than a Cayman S? is it because of the two small extra seats in the back, or the prestigious 911 name, or the rear-weight handling characteristic? Thanks
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but can someone explain to me why the "911 is so much more car" than a Cayman S? is it because of the two small extra seats in the back, or the prestigious 911 name, or the rear-weight handling characteristic? Thanks
(CGT doesn't count, I can't afford a Le Mans racer)
Porsche's 'other ' cars, specifically, the 914's, 944, and variants, and now the Boxsters and variants, including the upcoming Cayman, have always outhandled the 911's, in that they have all, because of their more balanced weighting , been easier cars to drive, and easier to drive faster. Certainly they have ALL been easier cars for any driver to learn to drive fast properly at DE's and track days.
Some, including the 994 Turbo and the 968's, still routinely terrorize 911's at the PCA races, and track days. PAG has always delivered these 'other' cars with less pure HP than the 911's, and always, cheaper than the 911's, helping to reinforce the image.
Porsche's marketing has always positioned the 911 as the ultimate Porsche, and has always spent the most marketing $ and Motorsport $ behind the 911, therefore, we perceive the 911's to be the 'Ultimate Porsche', and 'so much more car' than ...'
A lightweight 300 HP Cayman Coupe is a serious threat to that concept, especially if PAG goes the extra mile and develops a Clubsport or 'GT' class model.
Perhaps, PAG is seeing the end of the road for the rear engined car, or at least hedging their bets.
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perhaps they do see the end of the line on the rear engine cars - but still, they have to sell BOTH this car and the 911 - which means the Cayman has to be priced to sell, and at $70K (plus options?), I don't see it.
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Originally Posted by nyca
perhaps they do see the end of the line on the rear engine cars - but still, they have to sell BOTH this car and the 911
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Originally Posted by hly
sorry for the noob question, but can someone explain to me why the "911 is so much more car" than a Cayman S? is it because of the two small extra seats in the back, or the prestigious 911 name, or the rear-weight handling characteristic? Thanks
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I beg to differ that the fastest Porsche has been a rear engined car.
Perhaps the fastest "street" 911 has been the fastest in a straight line by virtue of power but NONE of the prototype racing cars, save the 935, have ever been rear engined. The 935 was built to exploit FIA regulations, not because it was the best solution to the problem of building a racing car from the standpoint of physics.
Porsche #1 was mid-engined, every prototype racing car Porsche has ever built has been mid-engined from the 550 to the GT1 which was a 911 forward cowl with a tube chassis behind and an engine in the middle. If the regulations allowed it the race cars were mid-engined.
Porsche has marketed the 911 as the top model by overcoming physics with horsepower and I am hopeful the Caymen is the beginning of the end of this.
Perhaps the fastest "street" 911 has been the fastest in a straight line by virtue of power but NONE of the prototype racing cars, save the 935, have ever been rear engined. The 935 was built to exploit FIA regulations, not because it was the best solution to the problem of building a racing car from the standpoint of physics.
Porsche #1 was mid-engined, every prototype racing car Porsche has ever built has been mid-engined from the 550 to the GT1 which was a 911 forward cowl with a tube chassis behind and an engine in the middle. If the regulations allowed it the race cars were mid-engined.
Porsche has marketed the 911 as the top model by overcoming physics with horsepower and I am hopeful the Caymen is the beginning of the end of this.
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Porsche has marketed the 911 as the top model by overcoming physics with horsepower and I am hopeful the Caymen is the beginning of the end of this.
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From what I've read it's supposed to be priced higher than the Boxster S and just below the base 911... now that doesn't leave much room.
I stated this in another thread but I really don't see the marketing strategy here.
I stated this in another thread but I really don't see the marketing strategy here.
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From what I've read it's supposed to be priced higher than the Boxster S and just below the base 911... now that doesn't leave much room.
I stated this in another thread but I really don't see the marketing strategy here.
I stated this in another thread but I really don't see the marketing strategy here.
At the focus group, they would show us 4 or 5 cars on a page, with varying prices and we would pick which one we would buy. Then they would show the same cars with DIFFERENT prices to see if the price affected our decision. This would go on for about 10 screens and in that time the Cayman's price fluctuated wildly. On one screen it would be $55,000, then on another it would be $38,000 and then on another it would be $85,000 (I can't remember the numbers exactly, but you get the point). Being an application developer myself, I found this exercise very interesting and it took me three screens to figure out what they were actually testing.
Porsche knows how our minds work, and it's sad to say that many of us will pay more for a car because we feel it must be a better car if it costs more. Look at the Turbo. Is it really THAT much more of a car to cost THAT much more? No.
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This whole Cayman option has thrown me into terrible indecision.
My reference point is an E46 M3.
Test drove a 997s and felt it significantly upped the game from the M3 both in terms of power and handling.
Then the Cayman question arises, better handling?
Easier to drive fast?
As quick/quicker round the 'ring
I have never owner a Porsche and am really looking for the full caffeine Porsche experience. If I am looking for a sharp tool for road use, I'm not going to be tracking, with 0-100 in around 10-12secs and decent ride quaility over rough surfaces which do you think would be the better deal?
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My reference point is an E46 M3.
Test drove a 997s and felt it significantly upped the game from the M3 both in terms of power and handling.
Then the Cayman question arises, better handling?
Easier to drive fast?
As quick/quicker round the 'ring
I have never owner a Porsche and am really looking for the full caffeine Porsche experience. If I am looking for a sharp tool for road use, I'm not going to be tracking, with 0-100 in around 10-12secs and decent ride quaility over rough surfaces which do you think would be the better deal?
jonboy