981 GTS
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There are some bracket/ancillary differences but mostly the same.
Also the dynos of the S/Spyder/R I did says Porsche takes liberty with their marketing on the 3.4....
Yes, thx. At least the Spyder and the R made decent attempts to shed weight which makes them stand out from the rest.
Now, when I see the list, I notice two "gaping" HP holes in their model line-up 330-340hp and 340-350hp. The 335/345hp Boxster/Cayman GTS+ that I joked about may not be that far off.![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Now, when I see the list, I notice two "gaping" HP holes in their model line-up 330-340hp and 340-350hp. The 335/345hp Boxster/Cayman GTS+ that I joked about may not be that far off.
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Part of the issue is people incorrectly value peak numbers, which are pretty irrelevant.
They can optimize a map at say 7200 to make 5hp, and the rest of the curve, what you feel and how the car performs is effectively unchanged because the area under the HP curve is relatively unchanged.
(Obviously haven't dynoed a GTS and also no 3.4 991, but if their games with the S/Spyder/R are any indication, they may all be very close in output with the same hardware)
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So the reality is that the horsepower isn't the main reason why the handling and 0-60 times are faster on the Spyder/R vs the S models, it's the lighter weight. I love that Porsche reduced the weight but I still wish they went further with it.
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Yes, that and essentially having a form of X73 suspension on them. The engines are the same.
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I think that the suspension is the #1 difference, followed by the weight loss.
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A base 981 + X73 (sport suspension) + sport wheel with 18" wheels is oodles more purist than this GTS, and $20k cheaper to boot. Everything else is PAG marketing fluff.
Just make the darn things lighter and stop playing idiotic "power" games like putting the exact same 3.4 DFI engine in all these cars and "giving" them these HPs:
315hp Boxster S
325hp Cayman S
330hp Boxster GTS
340hp Cayman GTS
350hp 911 Carrera
Seriously? Rumors have it they are forming a Committee looking into a 335hp Boxster GTS+ and 345hp Cayman GTS+ featuring door pulls instead of handles. So exciting!!
Just make the darn things lighter and stop playing idiotic "power" games like putting the exact same 3.4 DFI engine in all these cars and "giving" them these HPs:
315hp Boxster S
325hp Cayman S
330hp Boxster GTS
340hp Cayman GTS
350hp 911 Carrera
Seriously? Rumors have it they are forming a Committee looking into a 335hp Boxster GTS+ and 345hp Cayman GTS+ featuring door pulls instead of handles. So exciting!!
This is what all the manufacturers are doing, putting the same engine with different states of tuning in their cars. BMW has the N55 in almost every car from the 228i to the X6. AMG has the 5.5 L twin turbo in a bunch of stuff. Nissan has the same engine in everything from the the Altima to the 370z to a bunch of Infinitis. VW and Audi have been putting the 2.0 turbo in evertthing they make. We definitely expect more from Porsche.
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Yes, thx. At least the Spyder and the R made decent attempts to shed weight which makes them stand out from the rest.
Now, when I see the list, I notice two "gaping" HP holes in their model line-up 330-340hp and 340-350hp. The 335/345hp Boxster/Cayman GTS+ that I joked about may not be that far off.![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Now, when I see the list, I notice two "gaping" HP holes in their model line-up 330-340hp and 340-350hp. The 335/345hp Boxster/Cayman GTS+ that I joked about may not be that far off.
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And I will probably buy one...
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So over time the marketing suits and the targeted initial buyer both won.
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I'll take a 310hp S (or even a 270hp base) that is 300lbs lighter and has better suspension over a "340hp" GTS all day, every day.
GTS is no Spyder/R. It's merely an S with a package of S options. Lightness and suspension are the main ingredients of any magic sauce. The GTS doesn't have either.
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My theory on the 987.2 Spyder is that it will eventually be collectable. Yes the new 981 is faster and yes it may handle better than the Spyder but I personally look at it a bit differently. The 1989 Speedster values are climbing rapidly and I have read on multiple occasions that they handled much worse than the standard same year 911, weighed more and creaked like crazy. It's hard to deny that the 964 and 993 that followed were faster, handled far better and were more reliable.
So if you take this into consideration the primary reason the Speedsters have gone up in value is the appearance and rarity, nothing else. Now if you look at the Spyder you see that it has the appearance, rarity, suspension, lightness and one of the best handling cars Porsche has created. I just can't see why it wouldn't go up in value....eventually.
So if you take this into consideration the primary reason the Speedsters have gone up in value is the appearance and rarity, nothing else. Now if you look at the Spyder you see that it has the appearance, rarity, suspension, lightness and one of the best handling cars Porsche has created. I just can't see why it wouldn't go up in value....eventually.
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By real numbers I mean tested by the same, non-Porsche, test driver on the same track.
Christian Gebhadt of Sport Auto on the Hockenheim Short course was 0.40 sec. quicker in an R over a 981 S (basically a wash, w/Spyder also like an R)
Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca was 0.38 sec quicker in the 981 S over the R (again a wash, w/Spyder similar to R)
Porsche would like people to believe the 5hp increments and advertising, but the 981 S/R/Spyder objective performance is essentially the same.
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