More fun than a 944T?
06-06-2003, 09:35 PM
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More fun than a 944T?
I'm not trying to stir the mud here - but how does the 968 compare overall to a 944 Turbo? I've been to several PCA events but haven't come across anyone who owned both. And how about the track? Is a 968 a step up from a 944 Turbo S (both unmodified)?
06-06-2003, 11:48 PM
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Ironic you bring this up. Today I drove 450 miles round trip to see and drive a '86 Turbo 5spd with 52,xxx miles on it. Red/w blk interior. Car is in excellent condition EVERYTHING worked, except the cable for the hatch release was broke. He even has the air pump, tool kit window sticker everything. Car is in 97% perfect condition.
Tomorrow or Sunday I am going to see and drive a '93 968 Tiptronic with 93,xxx miles on it. Amazon Green with light gray leather, turbo twist wheels. This cars asking price is $2500 more than the price I have settled with the owner of the Turbo.. there is always room for negotiation, right?
The Turbo is so very clean and correct I may not be able to pass it up but will be going to see the 968, I'll let you know what I decide and answer your question.
It's sure a buyers market right now for p-cars!
Tomorrow or Sunday I am going to see and drive a '93 968 Tiptronic with 93,xxx miles on it. Amazon Green with light gray leather, turbo twist wheels. This cars asking price is $2500 more than the price I have settled with the owner of the Turbo.. there is always room for negotiation, right?
The Turbo is so very clean and correct I may not be able to pass it up but will be going to see the 968, I'll let you know what I decide and answer your question.
It's sure a buyers market right now for p-cars!
06-07-2003, 11:50 AM
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Unmodified the 968 is a better car. The slight acceleration edge to the turbo is negated in real life by the bigger torque of the 968 and the six speed gearbox. Fit and finish are better, as the 968 was built at Porsche and not at Audi.
That said, with slight tuning mods you can get a big hp gain over a 968 on a 951. There is almost nothing you can do short of forced induction on a 968 to get any measurable increase in power.
Styling is a matter of personal preference; although the 951 variants are rare in their own way, they all look similar to any of the 944 variants-which were built in numbers 10X or more than that of the 968. People come up to me all the time and ask if my cab is a new Porsche model-you won't find that with a 951.
Each has durability bugaboos-the pinion problem is oft discussed, but the actual percentage of cars with it are small-no consolation if your car is one of them. Steering racks, water pumps, motor mounts, are seemingly less of a problem on the 968 in turn. You pay your money and take your chance.
That said, with slight tuning mods you can get a big hp gain over a 968 on a 951. There is almost nothing you can do short of forced induction on a 968 to get any measurable increase in power.
Styling is a matter of personal preference; although the 951 variants are rare in their own way, they all look similar to any of the 944 variants-which were built in numbers 10X or more than that of the 968. People come up to me all the time and ask if my cab is a new Porsche model-you won't find that with a 951.
Each has durability bugaboos-the pinion problem is oft discussed, but the actual percentage of cars with it are small-no consolation if your car is one of them. Steering racks, water pumps, motor mounts, are seemingly less of a problem on the 968 in turn. You pay your money and take your chance.
06-07-2003, 04:46 PM
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The 968 is the car to get if you want a clean, sunday drive car, or even a reliable daily driver.
Get the 951 if you want a car you can mod the **** out of. If you find a decent 951, for a good price, you can turn it into a 360+HP beast for less than a very clean 968.
Get the 951 if you want a car you can mod the **** out of. If you find a decent 951, for a good price, you can turn it into a 360+HP beast for less than a very clean 968.
06-08-2003, 10:54 AM
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A stock turbo "S" will significantly outperform a stock 968 - especially above 100 mph.
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06-10-2003, 01:14 PM
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'Significantly outperform a 968 . . .' I've never seen 100-150 data to show that.
Don't forget, aero will enter into that area too, and the 968 has less drag and an extra gear as well.
Don't forget, aero will enter into that area too, and the 968 has less drag and an extra gear as well.
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06-10-2003, 03:42 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by special tool:
<strong>A stock turbo "S" will significantly outperform a stock 968 - especially above 100 mph.
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And of course you've proven this.
Thanks for that you wonderful bench racer, you.
<strong>A stock turbo "S" will significantly outperform a stock 968 - especially above 100 mph.
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And of course you've proven this.Thanks for that you wonderful bench racer, you.
06-10-2003, 09:19 PM
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Hey... since nobody is answering.. I'll answer.
A supercharged 968 will beat a stock 944 Turbo S.
It will not only beat it in acceleration, but it will whip it on a track due to the huge TQ differential below 4000rpms (not to mention that it is WAY easier to drive at the limit since there's no sudden rush of power like a turbo)
With the supercharged 968, you don't have to worry about what gear you're in on the track, as there is always big TQ at any point in the rpm range above 2000rpms. A stock 951S (or even a modified turbo car) can't say the same thing. With a turbo, fall below 3500rpms, and you get passed :-)
But the comparision really isn't a fair one.... as we all know full well what a modified 951 is capable of!
Hey... since nobody is answering.. I'll answer.
A supercharged 968 will beat a stock 944 Turbo S.
It will not only beat it in acceleration, but it will whip it on a track due to the huge TQ differential below 4000rpms (not to mention that it is WAY easier to drive at the limit since there's no sudden rush of power like a turbo)
With the supercharged 968, you don't have to worry about what gear you're in on the track, as there is always big TQ at any point in the rpm range above 2000rpms. A stock 951S (or even a modified turbo car) can't say the same thing. With a turbo, fall below 3500rpms, and you get passed :-)
But the comparision really isn't a fair one.... as we all know full well what a modified 951 is capable of!
06-12-2003, 07:08 PM
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I bought the 968 for the car not power,(although I am becoming interested in the low boost turbo conversions I have seen.) Not bashing the 944 because I have owned them and love em to death. I just fell in love with the 968 curves. If you are looking for raw power at a reasonable price I would highly suggest an early 90s Ford Mustang and supercharge it. They dont stick out like a sore thumb at like a 968 when you have to make those undesirable trips to WalMart.
06-12-2003, 09:12 PM
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Here's a list of road test results for comparison:
<a href="http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_RoadTestSummary.html" target="_blank">http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_RoadTestSummary.html</a>
Karl.
<a href="http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_RoadTestSummary.html" target="_blank">http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_RoadTestSummary.html</a>
Karl.
06-14-2003, 03:34 AM
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To finish off the bench racing:
951S does 60-100 in 8.1-8.6 seconds
968 does 60-100 in 9.1-9.9
951S also stops faster and cuts through the slalom 2mph faster (using the R&T data)
With that said, the 968 with m030 package would probably handle and stop better than a 951S.
On the track, a 951S will probably set about equal laptimes to a 968 with m030...pulling away on the straights a bit, but the 968 catching up in the twisties.
A 951S compared to a 968 w/o m030...the 951S will be quicker around most tracks.
That's the bench race report anyway!
EDIT:
Oops, just realized I left out the skid pad results...which when looking at em now, seem to be inconclusive.
951S does 60-100 in 8.1-8.6 seconds
968 does 60-100 in 9.1-9.9
951S also stops faster and cuts through the slalom 2mph faster (using the R&T data)
With that said, the 968 with m030 package would probably handle and stop better than a 951S.
On the track, a 951S will probably set about equal laptimes to a 968 with m030...pulling away on the straights a bit, but the 968 catching up in the twisties.
A 951S compared to a 968 w/o m030...the 951S will be quicker around most tracks.
That's the bench race report anyway!
EDIT:
Oops, just realized I left out the skid pad results...which when looking at em now, seem to be inconclusive.
06-14-2003, 09:40 AM
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Remember, all that data is a ***** out, pedal to the floor, hitting the red line experiment.
In day to day driving the 968 is a much easier beast to live with, having monster torque at low revs, making it much more enjoyable to drive at anything up to 10/10ths. And just about as fast as a 951 in non track conditions. With a lot less time spent in the shop, which counts for me.
In day to day driving the 968 is a much easier beast to live with, having monster torque at low revs, making it much more enjoyable to drive at anything up to 10/10ths. And just about as fast as a 951 in non track conditions. With a lot less time spent in the shop, which counts for me.