968 Supercharger Kit Development
#1261
I have, as you know the earlier S2 kit.
As it is, I`m running stock crank pulley 5" I think, with 2.24" grooved pulley and double sided belt, (1570mm).
The injectors that were provided then, BOSCH 0 280 150 558 42lb, would now be ok to use, thats if they are the ones you are now using, rated at 42lb.
Based on the calculation on your web site, of 5" crank, 2.24" pulley @ 6700, would give 44866 RPM on the S/C which is under max, so would these be wise to fit now.
What also, is the difference between the new mounting brackets?
Finally any news on the improved head cooler unit?
With the above set up I`m getting no belt slip and a good idle,
performance has markedly improved since the grooved pulley/double belt set up, but no figures as yet, seat of pants feeling is noticeable though.
As it is, I`m running stock crank pulley 5" I think, with 2.24" grooved pulley and double sided belt, (1570mm).
The injectors that were provided then, BOSCH 0 280 150 558 42lb, would now be ok to use, thats if they are the ones you are now using, rated at 42lb.
Based on the calculation on your web site, of 5" crank, 2.24" pulley @ 6700, would give 44866 RPM on the S/C which is under max, so would these be wise to fit now.
What also, is the difference between the new mounting brackets?
Finally any news on the improved head cooler unit?
With the above set up I`m getting no belt slip and a good idle,
performance has markedly improved since the grooved pulley/double belt set up, but no figures as yet, seat of pants feeling is noticeable though.
#1262
Your comments make me think you should leave it alone, Ed. You have a good idle, no belt slip, and a good tune with "Markedly better performance"
Are you sure you want to keep playing with it?
I do not know what changes you made to get the double-sided belt in there, so I cannot be sure that my new parts will be compatible with your homemade setup.
That all being said - if you want still more boost - you need the parts I have listed and some sort of engine management system to tune it. You can try the 42# injectors, but we needed 60# injectors on the one I did (we got that much boost).
Are you sure you want to keep playing with it?
I do not know what changes you made to get the double-sided belt in there, so I cannot be sure that my new parts will be compatible with your homemade setup.
That all being said - if you want still more boost - you need the parts I have listed and some sort of engine management system to tune it. You can try the 42# injectors, but we needed 60# injectors on the one I did (we got that much boost).
#1263
Tried the 40lb injectors today and no good,mis-firing and lumpy idle.
Re-fitted OEM injectors and fine.
So my set up now is as good as it`s going to get with the components I have.
Got a R/R booked at the end of the year with a Porsche specialist
http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37
So hopefully see what my final results are with this final set up
Re-fitted OEM injectors and fine.
So my set up now is as good as it`s going to get with the components I have.
Got a R/R booked at the end of the year with a Porsche specialist
http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37
So hopefully see what my final results are with this final set up
#1264
Tried the 40lb injectors today and no good,mis-firing and lumpy idle.
Re-fitted OEM injectors and fine.
So my set up now is as good as it`s going to get with the components I have.
Got a R/R booked at the end of the year with a Porsche specialist
http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37
So hopefully see what my final results are with this final set up
Re-fitted OEM injectors and fine.
So my set up now is as good as it`s going to get with the components I have.
Got a R/R booked at the end of the year with a Porsche specialist
http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37http://www.bobwatsonporsche.co.uk/?rolling-road,37
So hopefully see what my final results are with this final set up
#1268
Yes - but importantly it needs to be logged against RPM, and ideally throttle position as well. The innovate LM-2 is a low cost logger that does this. It's not the best bit of kit out there but it does the job.
What you are trying to achieve is to log AFR against RPM for PT and WOT fuel maps so that this information can be used to adjust the AFR to the target value.
What you are trying to achieve is to log AFR against RPM for PT and WOT fuel maps so that this information can be used to adjust the AFR to the target value.
#1269
What I'm hoping to do is install what Edz had and hopefully make it work without lots of add-ons, which was the original purpose of the kit. It seems that after reading through the entire thread, there were a lot more problems with the kit (despite Carl's best intentions) than most people were comfortable with. If the kit had done what it was supposed to: easy install followed by a reliable but decent increase in power (regardless of street or track usage) then I suspect it would have been a lot more popular. What seems to have happened was the people buying the kit had to do the R&D work. My car is only for street use so hopefully it will work fine, however there is a good chance I will be back on here asking a few more questions but I will keep everyone updated with how it goes. I've put some pics of my car (the pimpmobile - metallic violet blue with an almost white interior (must have been specc'ed by Liberace)) below. Oh and Merry Christmas, everyone!
#1271
#1272
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From: one thousand, five hundred miles north of Ft. Lauderdale for the summer.
#1273
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 28,704
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From: one thousand, five hundred miles north of Ft. Lauderdale for the summer.
Had one of the most respected Porsche guys in USA say about
a decade ago: "The 4's and 6's don't take well to supercharging."
he then went on to say
"The laws of automotive engineering don't jibe well with the
low torque, and high heat Porsche engines inherently make."
I believe:
The 928's seem to take to superchargers better: being big strong V8s.
Best: a 'roots' blower:
The 968 has a ton of torque for a 4 cylinder: no question.
It should in theory, take well to a roots supercharger/yes!!!!
Thanks to the invaluable experiences reported by dedicated pioneers,
(see the OP) and their disciples,
i've come to believe you need a lot of torque to drive the supercharger,
really good oiling, a toothed belt drive setup, an intercooler,
very modest expectations, re; many visits to the petro station,
and (1) no, make that (2) spare superchargers.
You need something to warn you of the first signs of trouble with
that bearing, so you can shut down...........
All bets are off--if the Supercharger explodes,
which if you're honest with yourselfs, appears a foregone conclusion.
In closing:
Be kind: to your precious engines.
a decade ago: "The 4's and 6's don't take well to supercharging."
he then went on to say
"The laws of automotive engineering don't jibe well with the
low torque, and high heat Porsche engines inherently make."
I believe:
The 928's seem to take to superchargers better: being big strong V8s.
Best: a 'roots' blower:
The 968 has a ton of torque for a 4 cylinder: no question.
It should in theory, take well to a roots supercharger/yes!!!!
Thanks to the invaluable experiences reported by dedicated pioneers,
(see the OP) and their disciples,
i've come to believe you need a lot of torque to drive the supercharger,
really good oiling, a toothed belt drive setup, an intercooler,
very modest expectations, re; many visits to the petro station,
and (1) no, make that (2) spare superchargers.
You need something to warn you of the first signs of trouble with
that bearing, so you can shut down...........
All bets are off--if the Supercharger explodes,
which if you're honest with yourselfs, appears a foregone conclusion.
In closing:
Be kind: to your precious engines.
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#1274
Had one of the most respected Porsche guys in USA say about
a decade ago: "The 4's and 6's don't take well to supercharging."
he then went on to say
"The laws of automotive engineering don't jibe well with the
low torque, and high heat Porsche engines inherently make."
I believe:
The 928's seem to take to superchargers better: being big strong V8s.
Best: a 'roots' blower:
The 968 has a ton of torque for a 4 cylinder: no question.
It should in theory, take well to a roots supercharger/yes!!!!
Thanks to the invaluable experiences reported by dedicated pioneers,
(see the OP) and their disciples,
i've come to believe you need a lot of torque to drive the supercharger,
really good oiling, a toothed belt drive setup, an intercooler,
very modest expectations, re; many visits to the petro station,
and (1) no, make that (2) spare superchargers.
You need something to warn you of the first signs of trouble with
that bearing, so you can shut down...........
All bets are off--if the Supercharger explodes,
which if you're honest with yourselfs, appears a foregone conclusion.
In closing:
Be kind: to your precious engines.
a decade ago: "The 4's and 6's don't take well to supercharging."
he then went on to say
"The laws of automotive engineering don't jibe well with the
low torque, and high heat Porsche engines inherently make."
I believe:
The 928's seem to take to superchargers better: being big strong V8s.
Best: a 'roots' blower:
The 968 has a ton of torque for a 4 cylinder: no question.
It should in theory, take well to a roots supercharger/yes!!!!
Thanks to the invaluable experiences reported by dedicated pioneers,
(see the OP) and their disciples,
i've come to believe you need a lot of torque to drive the supercharger,
really good oiling, a toothed belt drive setup, an intercooler,
very modest expectations, re; many visits to the petro station,
and (1) no, make that (2) spare superchargers.
You need something to warn you of the first signs of trouble with
that bearing, so you can shut down...........
All bets are off--if the Supercharger explodes,
which if you're honest with yourselfs, appears a foregone conclusion.
In closing:
Be kind: to your precious engines.
It was a different animal with the additional 100 h/p
My 968 with Carls blower was a mission to fit and had numerous CEL issues and idle problems that were unclear as to the fix and as discussed took my R&D to work it out.
Which is unusual for his kits as I had one on a 308 Ferrari and it was a good fit and no issues.