ltc

They are different cars from different backgrounds/histories.
I've been on track with several 968's and as one would expect, quite capable, well engineered, fairly neutral cars.

However, I wouldn't classify a 968 cabrio as a car upon which to compare track driving performance....maybe concours performance.

Jim Child

I have lots of experience on the track against 964's in my 968. Using PCA classifications, the 968 is an F class car, and the 964 C2 is an E class car due to its superior power to weight ratio. This really shows on the straights where the 964 C2 easily walks away from the 968. However, in the corners it’s a different story. I have yet to encounter a 964 C2 that I couldn't reel back in through the corners. Which car will have the faster lap times depends largely on the track configuration. A tight twisty track will favor the 968, while a longer, faster track will favor the 964 C2.

The 964 C4 is an F class car due to the extra weight it carries. In my experience a 968 will always be faster around a track than a 964 C4 regardless of the track configuration.

blackboy

Thank you Mr. Child for your clear and concise explanation of the differences between these two fine automobiles.
As you may have noticed, Conspicuous by it's absence is any animosity towards someone else's opinion. Hmmm.

d993

Well, since only Walter Rohrl or Hurley Haywood know how to handle a 964 better than a 968 ................are you saying that they are the only 2 people who can control the lift-off oversteer in a 911?...........then I guess the rest of us insufficiently skilled drivers should stick with 944's and 968's, right?
Is that with or without that 14hp and 8lb/ft torque chip? (WOW! BIG BIG gains. I can advance the timing in a 964 and get the same increase in hp and torque).

Kit_Chris

Driver skill aside, the 911 design is not altogether a bad one. More weight in the back is ideal for traction both in acceleration and braking, in theory and practice. I have once driven a 911 (993) and it felt clumsy, but passed the initial awkwardness I think the rear engine weight distribution can be used effectively and generate much driver safistaction both on and off track. That it requires a different driving technique and more attention from its driver isn't bad at all! That's precisely why most sports car owners dislike automatic gearboxes, driver aid, and other gizmos aimed at making the driving more accessible, predictable, fool-proof, or easier.

Not only are these cars completely different, but one is considerably more expensive to buy than the other, 5-10K difference. This buys you lots of track time in a 968!

Regards,
Chris

hmd

Let's not get too nasty

Having 'tracked' a 944 S2 and 951 variant. I think I will try the 964. Unless some one tell me its handling is absolutely crap and you can't tame it with some suspension tweaks.

RajDatta

There you go, try it for yourself. This way you make your own decision. Its always nice to have input but only you can decide what's good for you. Go for it, if you don't like it, sell it and get a 968 .
Raj

Blueman33

D993 or anyone else for that matter,

Have you had or driven a 968 with forced induction? The super-charger kits supposedly put 300+ hp to the wheels. But GEEEZZZZZ....$6300 for a kit!!! That's SFR unless you know of a less costly one.

I would love a 993, but don't have the funds. Most people have suggested if going for a 964 wait until you can afford a 993.

And that C4's handle better than C2's

Buy a 968 in good condition for $12 but by the time you put in a supercharger and mods, it will be as much money as the 964 i think.

I currently drive 951 and like the 968 looks and assume it has a better low end response.

p.s. supercharged miata's totally rock

RajDatta

Where do you plan to buy a good condition 968 for $12. I would like to buy atleast 200 of them .
Raj

mikew968

No reason to get so charged up here!!!!

Different strokes for different folks!!!

Clearly Porsche moved forward with the 911 platform vs the F.E. design. If the developement would have continued....

Mike

hmd

Blueman33,

We need to compare apples with apples. I am not looking to put an aftermarket kit on a 968.

Blueman33

There is a good condition 968 available. I am not up on prices, so i guess Raj, you are saying that's a good deal. I see huge ranges of prices on P-cars. My 951 with records and Lexus Dealer Certification (basically a check over) had a $7995 asking price. Of course I paid $8500 because some arssshole bought it while i was on the test drive and screwed me for a few extra bucks.

I like the 968 looks, but I have never driven one. People say I will miss the turbo (951) feel. And in this thread people say the 968 is underpowered..........so i was thinkin super or turbo.

The 951 wails, but I really would like a bit more low end grunt.

carreracup21

I don't have your typical run of mill 964, mine is a RS and the handling is top notch. That being said, I am glad I don't have to race against a more powerful 968 in D class. The 968 is proving to be a real class dominator in F stock PCA club racing. Mr Child is correct about cornering speed in the 968. It is phenomenal, especially when lowered and well set-up with all the right suspension goodies. I think a well driven 968 with equal power to weight ratio to my 964 Cup, would give me a real fit on the track. I still wouldn't trade the absolute driving exhilaration of my 964 Cup for one though. I think it's all about personal preference and the 968 seems like a great car too.

Jacks911

I'll put in my 2 cents here with CarreraCup - They are both great cars .... because they are Porsches!
I have owned both and love the 964. It is a great buy in the 911 line. The engine is Much more responsive than the HP & Torque numbers would have you believe compared to the 968. If you are talking coupes ..they weigh about the same - 3100 lbs. In Cab form the 968 gains a bit more pounds. Yet even with the extra gear (6 speed) I have never seen a road test of the cars come close in acceleration. I am a fan of 964's but my current car is a 968 Cab ... and I enjoy it's may unique attributes. For the track ??? I let others decide ... for touring & everyday use - it's the 968 for me. And the 968 is much less $$$ to buy & maintain. It really is a personal choice.

d993

Have I ever driven a 968 with forced induction? Yes.
Yeah, well if you put it that way.............Have you ever driven a 911 with forced induction???
A 993 or 964 is closer to a Carrera 3.2 ('84-'89) than it is to a 968, so not being able to afford a 993 is not the issue here.
Not only that, but a 2750lb Carrera 3.2 with the same amount of mods (SC or Turbo) will give you 400+hp BOLT-ON, which puts in the same category of speed as a HIGHLY modified 968 or 951 (480+ hp), which costs a LOT more to build than a 911 3.2.
The 968 also weighs 450lbs more than a Carrera 3.2, therefore needing a LOT more HP to compete.