L8Apex

Very interesting article about the 969 (the car that almost took away the production of the 964t) also know in house as the 965. The article talks about how Porsche was in development of a 959 looking car that was to replace the 911 turbo in the late 80's. If the 965 went into production it would have been very likely that we would not have our 964t today. The 965 went through major development and expense with different prototypes, one of the prototypes was fitted with a v8 derived from the Porsche indy program (see pictures on second page of the article). If it was not for the US stock market crash in the late 80's this car would be with us today. Of the 16 made 2 survived after orders to destroy the other 14. The only benefactor of this program was the flachbau with parts that were made for the 965.

Model BasicsFull Name: 969

Internal Code: 965

Production Type: Concept/Prototype

Body Type: Coupe

Car Seating: 2

ProductionProduction Run: 1988-1988

Produced In: Germany

Introduced At: Never shown

Number Made: 16 units

Outline of Number Made: With the cancelling of the project, all but 1 of the 16 produced prototypes were destroyed.

Front & RearNo front & rear specifications currently available.

EngineEngine Type: Proposed V8, Twin Turbocharged

Displacement: 3500 cc
214 cu. in.

Sameer

Thats interestin, thanks for the info. Any pics?

JBH

When Adrian was still active in these forums, he repeatedly tried to explain that our cars are not model 965 - that was the designation of a vehicle that never made it out of the prototype stage of development. There was a lot of discussion about it because there are parts in our cars that carry the 965 prefix. He would certainly be pleased to read this article that sets the record straight.

Twin turbo V8? I never heard that before.

Flachbau

Maybe looks like this?

Henning964Turbo

Actually I sent adrian a PM about something he wrote in another forum. This is his reply, I assume it is ok for me to post it here.

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Yes they are wrong. The 964 Turbo is type 964-770 LHD and 964-771 RHD.
The type number is included in the VIN.
However I do not care what people say and call their Porsches but the 965 was its own car, pictures are in the book mentioned. Nobody at the factory ever referred to the Turbo as a 965 because it wasn't.
The 965 part number series was for the 965 and Porsche retained some of the parts developed for the 965 in the Turbo so they kept the part number sequence.
I mean People are claiming the Cayenne is a 955 because it uses a part number sequence 955. This actually means something and it has nothing to do with the Cayenne but where it is made andhow the parts originate.
There is no such thing as a 952 either or a 932. People invent these numbers to try and make their Porsche different. After a while fiction becomes fact but you will not be able to find one Porsche type engineering document supporting these numbers.
I have seen the 964 Turbo drawings and they say 964 Turbo.
Ciao,
Adrian.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Porsche965
I hope you can take your time to answer this short question.
You wrote it on theautobahn.com
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For the gentleman claiming that the 965 is official in France I suggest in September you purchase the second edition of \"Excellence was Expected\" by Bentley Publishers. It contains the story of the real 965 with photographs. The real 965 was a twin turbo which was a cross between a 959 and a 964. It was cancelled due to cost and replaced with a turbo re-engined 964. Now whether you believe it or not is of no interest to me however there is only one real 965 (was destroyed in crash testing) and you do not have one.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
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On this forum and on pelican people refer to 964 turbo as 965. Are they wrong? I bought a 1991 964 turbo, and the dealer called it a 965, also wrong?

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Porsche 911 Enthusiasts Companion
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JBH

That sounds like Adrian...I still call mine a C2 Turbo...hope that's correct

Mark: I don't know - that picture looks like a rear engine car and I don't see a twin turbo V8 fitting into the back. The boxer engine layout was selected to keep a low center of gravity - I'm not sure how if the V8 wouldn't make the car really tough to balance.

L8Apex

Mark,

Thats what it looks like. the magazine has actual pictures of the prototypes from the factory and during testing.

JBH,

The V8 looks very neat and tidy in the rear of this car (it was only a 3.5L.) The intake air from the turbos crossed over to blow into the opposite side of the engine. very nice!

Doc V.

The 964 series Turbos are also identified with the "965" designation.

In April 2003, I contacted Paul Frere, author of Porsche 911 Story, about the application of the "965" designation to 964 series Turbos. From his home in Monaco, Frere sent me a detailed description of the 965. He concluded his description with the assertion that "it is true that the 964 series 3.3 and 3.6 Turbos are sometimes known as 965 among the Weissach people." I have an analogous analysis of the application of the "965" designation from Peter Morgan, author of Original Porsche 911.

The debate about the legitimate application of "965" follows from a failure to distinguish an object and the object's name. The 965 car was short-lived, but "965" survived to become the name commonly used to refer to the 964 series Turbos.

38D

Me 2!

Sameer

Colin,
Nice avatar. Sure helps start my day of.

Henning964Turbo

I think adrians theory seems more plausible. At least he states his sources. (Anyone got that book?)

38D

I have Adrian's book at home