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Any thoughts on why this car ended as it did with a RNM? I saw small issues with the car like others but nothing glaring came up, at least not on BAT? Thanks
I personally photograph my interiors without flashes. That interior should have the Seat hinge covers replaced or repainted. Toss the After market floor mats showing a different grey. May be consider a black steering Wheel as the horn buttons show fading. I also see staining in the headliner or Mold. I just removed a grey headliner with mold in it.
This interior from a 91 Turbo was covered in Canada for over 20 years. No carpet fading like that White 3.6 turbo. My other Light grey interior did the same thing even with that car in Wisconsin for 30 years. i changed the entire interior. Not a big deal when you are selling a car for $400,000. My 93 964 is worth $60,000 and I did all that work.
sure there were nit pick things for that car (like any car),.... but to me that sounded like a scenario where the minimal cost of putting it up on BaT, plus the high Reserve,...helps to push the market even higher for these cars. If you're not really interested in selling your car, but you "might" sell it in the future if the market got even MORE crazy,... why not put it up on BaT with a high reserve, and let everyone know that its not for sale at $331k (w/ fees). Now all the dealers & flippers are saying to themselves, "Ok,... the market is even higher for that car & similar cars".
The seller achieved his goal. .... which in my mind was not to sell the car,... but push the market a bit more.
Can you tell I hate this bs crap. All this speculating and treating these cars as investment art, just gives me a bad taste in my mouth. I prefer to ignore stuff like this,... but Rennlist chat rooms make it impossible to do so. So I get the punishment I deserve just for visiting BaT & RL.
These markets just makes it so difficult for drivers to find the car they want to try out.
I prefer to be the enthusiast who loves to drive the cars I own.
I don't know I see it as the market is shifting and the enthusiasts of today have more disposable income. I just looked over a very nice targa for someone. They paid nearly triple what it would have a year ago. I suspect if it were put on BaT it could have brought considerably more well into the 6 figure plus range, but the seller wanted a quick flip and moved on still making a considerable profit. The upside is the buyer of today seems to be spending more on maintaining the car than the shade tree mechanics of yesterday. So many cars that were neglected are being brought back to life. This is all at a considerable expense and another reason the cars are increasing in value.
Many cars on BaT aren't what they appear to be or as represented. There are some sellers that are well respected on BaT that the masses never realized they would sell you their grandmother and call it a 964 if the profits are there. I think some of these sellers are no longer as respected as before and the buyers are learning to be more careful as their dishonesty is becoming well known.
The market price for a really nice and rare colored 3.6T is well above the $331k so I am not sure what Bill did to help himself.
I think these cars as any others, are simply worth what folks are willing to pay for them. Also many new 911s are priced as high as one of these great classics, so why not have an amazing classic instead of the boring new ones?
I think these cars as any others, are simply worth what folks are willing to pay for them. Also many new 911s are priced as high as one of these great classics, so why not have an amazing classic instead of the boring new ones?
I couldn't agree more. I recently owned both a 991 GT3RS and a GT4. Incredibly competent cars. So darn good they were almost boring. Stepping into the 964...now THAT'S therapy. Both of the "perfect" modern cars are gone. Still have my air cooled cars though...I suspect I'm not the only one, given the recent prices for the 965s out there.
if you look at any vintage air cooled porsche (especially low production numbers) and what it cost to restore them back to good driving condition, make no wonder a good working 1991 turbo can be a 200k car plus or minus.
The performance, the production numbers and the body style make it just as desireable as these high dollar classics (S models for example) and therefore a high dollar car.
All I can say is my son who has been track driving for 5 years now (darn I am getting old) took out my 91 C2 with Cup modifications last weekend on track after tracking his heavily modified Cayman S for a few years. He had more fun driving the car dubbed the **** box than he did his cayman. He was funny to watch as he described the differences and the amount of effort and input the 964 took vs his cayman. He felt much more connected to the road and learned how to drive an air-cooled the hard way. I think I may have a convert on my hands.
heading to my garage. One of the cleanest examples I have ever seen. Super excited to carry along the fine stewardship of this beauty. Pics upon arrival
05-24-2022, 08:48 AM
