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Old 03-04-2015, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rennbahn
So I have the dreaded "Xmas Tree" effect but only with the headlights on. I did a lot of searching reading about this problem and one of the recommended tests is to mist water around the dizzys and coils and look for sparking in the dark. Am I not supposed to see any sparks at all?
The misting of the wires is to check for leaks in the wires and connectors. When I had the Xmas tree, it was simply bad coils, but misting wouldn't have shown me that.

Good luck tracking it down. I would try a new set of coils first, since it seems to be the usual suspect, but careful to not jus throw money at it. It gets expensive. Some free things to try are to take off all the grounds on the main wiring looms, clean and reinstall them. There are quite a few around the car. Take off each plug wire and connect a multimeter to each end and check to see each one reads at or very close to 3ohm.
Then inspect the wiring looms that you can access and check for cracked wires and shorts.
And since it's happening when your lights turn on, pop out the lights and check the wiring to the bulbs and trace back as best you can. I'm sure there are a few other free things to look into, but can't think of them off the top of my head.

In the end, when all else fails, after you have exhausted the easy stuff, pull out the clock and send it off to be resoldered...or if you have the expertise, check the soldered connections in there as well.
Old 03-04-2015, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Alex
Wow this is great to hear, a bunch of past threads on here had opposite opinions. And I was just trying to follow DIY; steps 4-6 mention what I was referring too.
http://p-car.com/diy/sus/rear/rearsus.htm

Thanks guys, bought some PB blaster just in case.
I don't believe that guide is for a 964. I have just removed struts front and rear and the anti-roll bars don't attach to the damper bodies. Also that link arm was not present.
Old 03-04-2015, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PhatPhlatSix
I don't believe that guide is for a 964. I have just removed struts front and rear and the anti-roll bars don't attach to the damper bodies. Also that link arm was not present.
That is for a 993 not a 964.
Old 03-04-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Goughary
The misting of the wires is to check for leaks in the wires and connectors. When I had the Xmas tree, it was simply bad coils, but misting wouldn't have shown me that.

Good luck tracking it down. I would try a new set of coils first, since it seems to be the usual suspect, but careful to not jus throw money at it. It gets expensive. Some free things to try are to take off all the grounds on the main wiring looms, clean and reinstall them. There are quite a few around the car. Take off each plug wire and connect a multimeter to each end and check to see each one reads at or very close to 3ohm.
Then inspect the wiring looms that you can access and check for cracked wires and shorts.
And since it's happening when your lights turn on, pop out the lights and check the wiring to the bulbs and trace back as best you can. I'm sure there are a few other free things to look into, but can't think of them off the top of my head.

In the end, when all else fails, after you have exhausted the easy stuff, pull out the clock and send it off to be resoldered...or if you have the expertise, check the soldered connections in there as well.
Great advice!! I'll use that for my roadmap. I should have been more specific, after misting I DO see sparking around both the coils and dizzys but it appears faint and I'm not sure if I should see any at all.
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Originally Posted by Goughary
Alex. Hit them with pb blaster first and reapply a few times. Let that stuff seep in for a few days if you are concerned that the bolts have been on too long...it'll make them more likely to crack loose.
Originally Posted by PhatPhlatSix
I don't believe that guide is for a 964. I have just removed struts front and rear and the anti-roll bars don't attach to the damper bodies. Also that link arm was not present.
Originally Posted by cobalt
That is for a 993 not a 964.
Indeed not a 964 DIY, which is great because the 964 seems simpler. Usually I would have a look before asking but it was pretty cold the past few weeks. While doing the SSK today I took a look at all the bolts and hit them with pb blaster. The HD's were put on something like three years ago so I don't think they should be on there too tight.
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Originally Posted by Rennbahn
Great advice!! I'll use that for my roadmap. I should have been more specific, after misting I DO see sparking around both the coils and dizzys but it appears faint and I'm not sure if I should see any at all.

You shouldn't see any arcing sparks. Just means you have leaks. Pull all the boots and rub some dielectric grease inside them and reinstall and most again. It may be that simple, but if you are seeing sparks after that, it's new wires...sounds like you may be due for wires anyway? How old are they?
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Originally Posted by Goughary
You shouldn't see any arcing sparks. Just means you have leaks. Pull all the boots and rub some dielectric grease inside them and reinstall and most again. It may be that simple, but if you are seeing sparks after that, it's new wires...sounds like you may be due for wires anyway? How old are they?
That's what I thought, I'll give that a shot and see how it goes. Not sure how old the wires are they look fairly new but I doubt that means anything.
Old 03-07-2015, 04:49 PM
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Back with more silly questions. All bolts popped off without any strenuous effort, but the shop that had originally put the HD's on did not cut the slot for the line to pop in or out and it would seem either I have to do that OR, I could disconnect the line. And bleed once everything is finished.

I'm just not sure what to expect in terms of fluid pouring out, will it be a lot? Should I plug or clamp off once disconnected?

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Old 03-07-2015, 06:06 PM
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Yes, you can clamp and disconnect as long as you bleed after you are done. How much fluid will come out? Not much if its clamped. That's the method that I used. You can get inexpensive fuel line clamps at your local auto parts store.
Old 03-11-2015, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Rob
Yes, you can clamp and disconnect as long as you bleed after you are done. How much fluid will come out? Not much if its clamped. That's the method that I used. You can get inexpensive fuel line clamps at your local auto parts store.
Thanks for coaching me through this. This is the first car I wrenched on myself so its quite a learning experience. I bought small L-shaped hose pinching clamps but they seem to weak to clamp the rubber line. I'm considering just wrapping line in duct tape and using long nose vice grips, would that be ok? Seems doubtful it would damage the line.

Plus another crap move of the day was semi-stripping the strut tube, even though I was using the half open socket with a allen key, it seems like its on there too tight.

Sooo, I did the rears instead, which was easy except reaching over the lines behind the rear blower to undo the nuts.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Alex
Thanks for coaching me through this. This is the first car I wrenched on myself so its quite a learning experience. I bought small L-shaped hose pinching clamps but they seem to weak to clamp the rubber line. I'm considering just wrapping line in duct tape and using long nose vice grips, would that be ok? Seems doubtful it would damage the line.

Plus another crap move of the day was semi-stripping the strut tube, even though I was using the half open socket with a allen key, it seems like its on there too tight.

Sooo, I did the rears instead, which was easy except reaching over the lines behind the rear blower to undo the nuts.
Alex - You don't want to damage the brake lines with a vicegrip. You want a clamp similar to these

Don't worry about the struggles. We have all been there. That's how we learn to do things.
Old 03-11-2015, 06:31 PM
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Do you by any chance **** the diameter of the brake line, I suppose I could also just use a brake line plug?
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The brake line fittings are M10 x 1.0. Yes a plug would work too.

Another option is to go to your local auto parts store and see what fuel line clamps they have. They may have something like this. You don't need a lot of clamping pressure. You are just fighting the head pressure of the brake fluid.

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I got those little pichers, but it would seem the rubber line is too stiff for them to constrict the line. It would seem as it if barely compresses it.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Alex
I got those little pichers, but it would seem the rubber line is too stiff for them to constrict the line. It would seem as it if barely compresses it.
Been there and tried that. In the end I cut a channel on the old shock bracket to release the brake pipe and then fitted the new one. I can't recall how but it was possibly without cutting and the car is now in the UK so I can't check - sorry. The point I wanted to make is that it is possible to do without detaching the brake pipe fitting.
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