Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Rear Suspension Recommendations for wiggly rear end

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-09-2013, 05:45 PM
  #1  
hkiang
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
hkiang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Oakland
Posts: 215
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
Default Rear Suspension Recommendations for wiggly rear end

Anyone have any rear suspension recommendations to cure what feels to be a wiggly rear end in quick left/right transitions? I have a 1994 Carrera 4 (widebody) wearing 18" Speedline for Porsche wheels and 285/30/18 in the back. Suspension-wise, it has Bilstein PSS9 coilovers, but otherwise is box stock. The car only has 30K miles on it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the additional weight/grip of the rear wheels/tires is causing/exacerbating the (inherent) unsettledness, and possibly warranting a larger rear antiroll bar. Then I did read about how some people change the rear drop links to eliminate some play in that assembly which allows for roll. Is it s a rear sway bar issue? Is there anything in the rear suspension that can distort causing changes to the toe?

For this discussion, let us assume that the car is properly aligned. (I believe that it is.)

Thank you.
Old 08-09-2013, 06:08 PM
  #2  
Vandit
Nordschleife Master
 
Vandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 5,614
Likes: 0
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Check the condition of the bushing on the spring plate where it meets the car's unibody. Mine were torn to ****.

I swapped them out for the ERP 935-style spring plates that have a spherical bearing on the end and no rubber. They're lovely pieces but they'll set you back some $, but nothing like the price of replacement OEM spring plates.
Old 08-09-2013, 06:16 PM
  #3  
Zingari
Pro
 
Zingari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cheshire, UK
Posts: 529
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Its not engine movement caused by worn mounts is it?
Old 08-09-2013, 06:19 PM
  #4  
Vandit
Nordschleife Master
 
Vandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 5,614
Likes: 0
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Also, by the factory's design, the bushing on the spring plate is engineered to be softer than the outer trailing arm bushing. This way, under braking, the rear will toe-in and increase stability. This is the Weissach effect.
Old 08-09-2013, 06:37 PM
  #5  
ghhally
Rennlist Member
 
ghhally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Belgium
Posts: 694
Received 32 Likes on 21 Posts
Default

What's rear ride height vs. front? Some rake dialed in? Try to lower the rear end and see how the car feels?
Old 08-09-2013, 06:44 PM
  #6  
Lemass Automotive
Rennlist Member
 
Lemass Automotive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Stoke Poges, UK
Posts: 1,466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

What tyres are you running. I had this issue with some non n rated tyres. I fitted some n rated continentals and it was perfect again
Old 08-09-2013, 07:04 PM
  #7  
lateforlunch
Instructor
 
lateforlunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: manhattan beach ca
Posts: 215
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I had the same problem and found my rear sping plate bushings to be shot like Vandit mentioned. Installed ERP items and its been a lovely drive ever since.
Old 08-09-2013, 11:17 PM
  #8  
hkiang
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
hkiang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Oakland
Posts: 215
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Worn spring plate bushings. I'll check those. But the car is a low milage leader. I doubt they are damaged but I will check those.

The tires are Bridgestone re050a pole position.

The car is lowered with a slight rake towards the front.

Thank you, guys!

H
Old 08-09-2013, 11:23 PM
  #9  
hkiang
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
hkiang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Oakland
Posts: 215
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Below should give you an idea of the car's stance.
Attached Images  
Old 08-10-2013, 07:33 AM
  #10  
NineMeister
Addict
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

 
NineMeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Cheshire, England
Posts: 4,443
Received 191 Likes on 94 Posts
Default

Tyre pressures?
Geometry?
Corner weights?
Same wiggle right to left as left to right? (if not, possible damper fault)
Old 08-10-2013, 04:45 PM
  #11  
hkiang
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
hkiang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Oakland
Posts: 215
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Just made an appointment to have a new alignment done, check the spring plate bushings and see if I can't find a bad damper.

But I guess my question is these cars are not supposed feel wiggly and that I should be able to run such a heavy and wide rear tire without it feeling so unsettled in the rear?

Thank you guys!

H
Old 08-10-2013, 05:52 PM
  #12  
jack.pe
Three Wheelin'
 
jack.pe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Putney, London
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Zingari
Its not engine movement caused by worn mounts is it?
+1 on engine mounts... you upgraded them to semi solid? checked if worn? using RS mounts made my car feel much more cohesive
Old 08-10-2013, 10:27 PM
  #13  
Earlydays
Three Wheelin'
 
Earlydays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: McKinney, Texas
Posts: 1,400
Received 39 Likes on 34 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by hkiang
Ju

......But I guess my question is these cars are not supposed feel wiggly and that I should be able to run such a heavy and wide rear tire without it feeling so unsettled in the rear?
Absolutely



Quick Reply: Rear Suspension Recommendations for wiggly rear end



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:31 AM.