P964 Speed Yellow Rebuild - Car jack fitting - Amplifier
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P964 Speed Yellow Rebuild - Car jack fitting - Amplifier
Hello Rennlisters,
I am new to the forum. Let me introduce myself. I live in the Netherlands and am the proud owner of a 964 C4 of 1993 in speed yellow. I own the car since a year and a half now. As it has been well maintained by the previous owner, but was badly resprayed, I decided it needed some work, hats were the slippery slope started.
I looked at various specialist to have the work done and decided that AP car design was the one that impressed me most regarding the proposed quality. I wanted to have all paint removed to the bare metal and than resprayed. As there has been some accident repair that wasnt done up to my standard, I had the whole right rear removed. After doing this AP found some bad rust underneath the oil tank that need repairing. To cut a long story short, lots of rust and the left hand rear got replaced as well. As we were doing things, brakes, engine, transmission diffs, oil pipes and cooler, A/C pipes and cooler got replaced as well. AP being AP, they than decided that the trunk lining need replacing and head liner, A and B pillars needed new leather. Many little things got done as well (head lights, brake cooling, badges, all bolts etc) got done as well. So I am happy to say, I am the owner of a petty much new 964 in the rare speed yellow color. The car is on the AP website (Project 11 in 2012), but their description of the project doesnt really do their work justice.
Having a pretty much new 964, I am on a quest to get the car in a original state. That means I am collecting all oiginal parts, like the Blaupunkt RDM42 radio and blaupunkt amplifier, vehicle jack, tool kit etc.
This is were my question comes in: How is the jack fitted in the front? It should fit behind the plastic cover, and somehow be screwed tight, but I cannot figure out how. Can any one post a pic ow it slides in and screws down?
I have the same question with the blaupunkt amplifier. It sites underneath the right hand side seat (in a LHD), but I dont know how.
Last question : What tools should be in the tool set? The various parts PDF circulating on the web did provide too much info.
Thanks in advance,
Robbie
I am new to the forum. Let me introduce myself. I live in the Netherlands and am the proud owner of a 964 C4 of 1993 in speed yellow. I own the car since a year and a half now. As it has been well maintained by the previous owner, but was badly resprayed, I decided it needed some work, hats were the slippery slope started.
I looked at various specialist to have the work done and decided that AP car design was the one that impressed me most regarding the proposed quality. I wanted to have all paint removed to the bare metal and than resprayed. As there has been some accident repair that wasnt done up to my standard, I had the whole right rear removed. After doing this AP found some bad rust underneath the oil tank that need repairing. To cut a long story short, lots of rust and the left hand rear got replaced as well. As we were doing things, brakes, engine, transmission diffs, oil pipes and cooler, A/C pipes and cooler got replaced as well. AP being AP, they than decided that the trunk lining need replacing and head liner, A and B pillars needed new leather. Many little things got done as well (head lights, brake cooling, badges, all bolts etc) got done as well. So I am happy to say, I am the owner of a petty much new 964 in the rare speed yellow color. The car is on the AP website (Project 11 in 2012), but their description of the project doesnt really do their work justice.
Having a pretty much new 964, I am on a quest to get the car in a original state. That means I am collecting all oiginal parts, like the Blaupunkt RDM42 radio and blaupunkt amplifier, vehicle jack, tool kit etc.
This is were my question comes in: How is the jack fitted in the front? It should fit behind the plastic cover, and somehow be screwed tight, but I cannot figure out how. Can any one post a pic ow it slides in and screws down?
I have the same question with the blaupunkt amplifier. It sites underneath the right hand side seat (in a LHD), but I dont know how.
Last question : What tools should be in the tool set? The various parts PDF circulating on the web did provide too much info.
Thanks in advance,
Robbie
Last edited by Robbie Ravioli; 11-17-2012 at 07:27 AM. Reason: spelling
11-17-2012, 07:00 AM
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The anatomy of a rebuild
Ok, as pictures appear to mandatory....
The previous paint job is not very visible on the pics, but annoyed me every time I walked into the garage. Here some pics of the before, during and after the rebuild:
Before
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Finding rust....
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Start the rebuild
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Replace brackets and body work
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Prepare for new fender
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New fender
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Than the unexpected happened. The previous owner had some rust repair done, and that specific workshop took every shortcut in the book. Old rust covered under layers of filler and more rust....
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The only right way was to give the left side the same treatment as the right...
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The previous paint job is not very visible on the pics, but annoyed me every time I walked into the garage. Here some pics of the before, during and after the rebuild:
Before
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Finding rust....
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Start the rebuild
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Replace brackets and body work
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Prepare for new fender
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New fender
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Than the unexpected happened. The previous owner had some rust repair done, and that specific workshop took every shortcut in the book. Old rust covered under layers of filler and more rust....
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The only right way was to give the left side the same treatment as the right...
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11-17-2012, 07:18 AM
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Anatomy of a rebuild
Than the left side got the same treatment as the right:
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New fender on the left as well. Its great that Porsche still stocks these for a nearly 20 year old car!
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Obviously all removable body parts got the same treatmentment inside and out. Bare metal looks great!
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Silver bullet ready to go into the spray cabin
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After the rust protector and primer got on, Obviously EVERYHING got painted according the Porsche spec
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Lets gets yellow again. Great looking perfect paint finish!
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And the finished product. The engine, tranny, brakes, diffs and all got done too. Some of you might have spotted the red calipers, that were yellow in the first pics. The yellow didn't look bad colorwise, but were badly done, and red looks better than black, even though its not original.
I havent made any pics myself yet, the weather hasnt been up to it, but I might take it out this afternoon for the last drive of the year!
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Some of you might actually know this car too. This is the sister car that AP rebuild in 2008 (Project 03 in 2008). It was in for a service, mine is the one in the background.
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New fender on the left as well. Its great that Porsche still stocks these for a nearly 20 year old car!
Attachment 680604
Obviously all removable body parts got the same treatmentment inside and out. Bare metal looks great!
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Silver bullet ready to go into the spray cabin
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After the rust protector and primer got on, Obviously EVERYHING got painted according the Porsche spec
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Lets gets yellow again. Great looking perfect paint finish!
Attachment 680613
And the finished product. The engine, tranny, brakes, diffs and all got done too. Some of you might have spotted the red calipers, that were yellow in the first pics. The yellow didn't look bad colorwise, but were badly done, and red looks better than black, even though its not original.
I havent made any pics myself yet, the weather hasnt been up to it, but I might take it out this afternoon for the last drive of the year!
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Some of you might actually know this car too. This is the sister car that AP rebuild in 2008 (Project 03 in 2008). It was in for a service, mine is the one in the background.
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Last edited by Robbie Ravioli; 04-24-2013 at 05:01 PM.
11-17-2012, 09:33 AM
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hi,
nice car. I wount disturb your good feelings, but waint until your paintjob is a year old or so.
This is a true story:
I bought my car from AP in the end of 2008 and it needed some work (optical and mechanical).
So I had a full paint-job (paintjob was 4,5k€) from AP and other mechanical stuff done plus a new full-service. My feeling about the deal was perfect. I got daily updates (pictures) about the progress and yes, i thought that they are realy smart guys and it´s good work done there.
I got the car car three month later in spring 2009 (one week before my 30th birthday) and while driving it home, i realized that the new painted wheel weren't balanced. Ok, no problem. I stopped half the way to munich and had a rebalance of my wheels. At a first glance, the car looked awesome.
But after some washing-sessions by hand i found some details that were not so good and i wanted AP to put the car back to goettingen and solve the problems. They did so and resprayed the car (partly) and now i was satisfied with the paintjob.
One week later in august 2009 (round about 2000km after i got the car for the first time in spring 2009), i bought H&R swaybars and when removing the undertray i found two totally destroyed inner-boots from both driveshafts (C4). They were not cracked, they were gone. That was ~2000km after a full-service and after they changed the front wishbones!
Then, the car was fine for round about one year, but in the last year, there came more and more details (e.g. bubbles under the paint-coat in the middle of the trunk lid) to daylight that were bad because of careless preparatory work. I had a third (partial) paintjob last winter during my four-year ownership here in munich...
The reassembling after the AP-paintjobs was horrible (sheet metal screw in metric threads, missing seals on the backlights...) and know some guys here in germany with similar problems.
Only to show you the other side of the bright AP-world!
But, and that sounds probably strange, i would do everything exactly the same again because i love my car and i was so happy during the three month of waiting for my car when AP did the first paintjob and the mechanical stuff. Also T. N. was always smart and lovely to me...
regards from munich!
nice car. I wount disturb your good feelings, but waint until your paintjob is a year old or so.
This is a true story:
I bought my car from AP in the end of 2008 and it needed some work (optical and mechanical).
So I had a full paint-job (paintjob was 4,5k€) from AP and other mechanical stuff done plus a new full-service. My feeling about the deal was perfect. I got daily updates (pictures) about the progress and yes, i thought that they are realy smart guys and it´s good work done there.
I got the car car three month later in spring 2009 (one week before my 30th birthday) and while driving it home, i realized that the new painted wheel weren't balanced. Ok, no problem. I stopped half the way to munich and had a rebalance of my wheels. At a first glance, the car looked awesome.
But after some washing-sessions by hand i found some details that were not so good and i wanted AP to put the car back to goettingen and solve the problems. They did so and resprayed the car (partly) and now i was satisfied with the paintjob.
One week later in august 2009 (round about 2000km after i got the car for the first time in spring 2009), i bought H&R swaybars and when removing the undertray i found two totally destroyed inner-boots from both driveshafts (C4). They were not cracked, they were gone. That was ~2000km after a full-service and after they changed the front wishbones!
Then, the car was fine for round about one year, but in the last year, there came more and more details (e.g. bubbles under the paint-coat in the middle of the trunk lid) to daylight that were bad because of careless preparatory work. I had a third (partial) paintjob last winter during my four-year ownership here in munich...
The reassembling after the AP-paintjobs was horrible (sheet metal screw in metric threads, missing seals on the backlights...) and know some guys here in germany with similar problems.
Only to show you the other side of the bright AP-world!
But, and that sounds probably strange, i would do everything exactly the same again because i love my car and i was so happy during the three month of waiting for my car when AP did the first paintjob and the mechanical stuff. Also T. N. was always smart and lovely to me...
regards from munich!
11-17-2012, 10:18 AM
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First off, that's a really nice Carrera in a great color, I love the rare yellow!
Second, OMG on the rust you discovered and repaired! What the heck, I had never seen a 964 rotting that bad before. I'm guessing both rear quarters been previously in a very shoddy manner. What a friggin' mess!
I'm glad you had the resources and desire to go through all that work and save the car.
Second, OMG on the rust you discovered and repaired! What the heck, I had never seen a 964 rotting that bad before. I'm guessing both rear quarters been previously in a very shoddy manner. What a friggin' mess!
I'm glad you had the resources and desire to go through all that work and save the car.
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11-17-2012, 10:28 AM
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Hi welcome. Nice 964, love the colour.
You definitely went down the slippery slope, however OMG all that rust.
Currently I'm doing a '89 C2 fill rebuild and haven't seen rust, except at the front windscreen due a window repair. I wonder what caused all that excessive rust?
Enjoy!
You definitely went down the slippery slope, however OMG all that rust.
Currently I'm doing a '89 C2 fill rebuild and haven't seen rust, except at the front windscreen due a window repair. I wonder what caused all that excessive rust?
Enjoy!
11-17-2012, 09:20 PM
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very nice car...if this happened to my car...not sure if i would go forward or just have sold it.
lots of work but now you know what you got and it does look beautiful now.
lots of work but now you know what you got and it does look beautiful now.
11-18-2012, 01:35 PM
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Hi Guys,
Thanks or the compliments, I sure love the color. AP told me that there were only ever 39 964's ever build in speed yellow, dunno how to verify that. I surely have never seen another one.
I dont know what caused the rust. On the right rear a small damage repair has been done, but I dont think that caused all the rust. I think it has been used over winters in snow, being a C4, caused snow, crap and salt getting trapped behind he oil tank. On the left it probably was the same, werenall road grime got stuck behind the wheel arch liner. Above the rear light cluster, it just a bad design, without decent wheel arch liners. I was thinking of a solution, perhaps getting a company to manufacter some for me, or take the turbo ones and adapt them. On the other side, I dont use it in snow or rain, so it should stay ok.
Thanks or the compliments, I sure love the color. AP told me that there were only ever 39 964's ever build in speed yellow, dunno how to verify that. I surely have never seen another one.
I dont know what caused the rust. On the right rear a small damage repair has been done, but I dont think that caused all the rust. I think it has been used over winters in snow, being a C4, caused snow, crap and salt getting trapped behind he oil tank. On the left it probably was the same, werenall road grime got stuck behind the wheel arch liner. Above the rear light cluster, it just a bad design, without decent wheel arch liners. I was thinking of a solution, perhaps getting a company to manufacter some for me, or take the turbo ones and adapt them. On the other side, I dont use it in snow or rain, so it should stay ok.
11-18-2012, 01:46 PM
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@koenig_roland,
Hmm, you made me worry know.... Before I went ahead I have been reading and searching a lot about possible specialists (autofarm, AP, Freisinger, etc), could not find too much negative stories about AP. AP was quite open about their work, allowing me to be close and critical about other bodies they were building up. I could not find too much wrong. I also looked very critical at my car at ome after getting it back. There were some things I would have done differently, but none was done in a bad way. I did find a robber booth on the steering rack that sheered off after aligning (I had the wishbones replaced as well), but its too much hassle to go back for that, I will replace it myself. Obviously paint is wait and see, but looks good so far (they dont do the body in house, but off site somewhere). Did they at least redo you prblems as a warranty job?
I guess its kinda wait and see, interested people xan send me a message off board, my experience is so far mainly positive though.
Cheers, Robbie
Hmm, you made me worry know.... Before I went ahead I have been reading and searching a lot about possible specialists (autofarm, AP, Freisinger, etc), could not find too much negative stories about AP. AP was quite open about their work, allowing me to be close and critical about other bodies they were building up. I could not find too much wrong. I also looked very critical at my car at ome after getting it back. There were some things I would have done differently, but none was done in a bad way. I did find a robber booth on the steering rack that sheered off after aligning (I had the wishbones replaced as well), but its too much hassle to go back for that, I will replace it myself. Obviously paint is wait and see, but looks good so far (they dont do the body in house, but off site somewhere). Did they at least redo you prblems as a warranty job?
I guess its kinda wait and see, interested people xan send me a message off board, my experience is so far mainly positive though.
Cheers, Robbie
11-19-2012, 10:52 AM
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I saw somewhere a list of 964's qty's in given colors...anyone know where that list is? it was available via someone's website...no idea now where that was...
11-19-2012, 03:39 PM
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Did they at least redo you prblems as a warranty job?
If the deal was ok for you, i wount disturb it! My deal was ok for me too, but there were some annoying "details" on the way...
could not find too much negative stories about AP
