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Old 02-13-2014 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by STUARTQ
If you were to way up the price of an unmodified C2, strip and repaint, add, wheels, new seats, suspension, engine rebuild and remap, how much would you spend?
My guess would be far in excess of £42k, so maybe not so expensive.
Agreed - Even more if you were paying somebody else to do all the work.
Old 02-13-2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by robt964
Agreed - Even more if you were paying somebody else to do all the work.
Possibly true, it depends on the cost of the C2 in the first place but the car in question had this done years ago not last week. The work done on many of these cars is rarely recouped at the time of sale.
Put another way, I would much rather be the owner of the yellow C2 at 30k....
Old 02-13-2014 | 09:03 AM
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Ras, I understand where you are coming from.
The yellow car may never need any work, but that's unlikely, if you wanted better suspension and etc, you'll soon be up another 4-5k before know it.
It's unlikely that anyone would buy the yellow car to turn it into a light weight or RS rep, that would be madness in my eyes.
Even so, take a £15k C2 if you can find one, add engine rebuild (min £6k and possibly £10 to £20k, remap, probable body work and paint, suspension, wheels, interior and how much have you spent?
I don't know the answer, but a fare few RLers do.
Old 02-13-2014 | 09:38 AM
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Stuart, I know as well as most the costs involved believe me lol. I know cars that have had all that work done and more and sold for a LOT less.
The mint car has sold at a higher price than any C2 I have seen and it should be remembered it sold a few months earlier for mid 30's. I dont believe for one moment it will not need money spending on it as they all do. I saw a similar car not long ago and the quality of some of the work done was..er crap
Old 02-13-2014 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic_S
I reckon a lot more C2's will start to appear if these prices hold up
Selling Vic?
Old 02-13-2014 | 09:59 AM
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Ras, you have a point!
It doesn't matter who did the work, another specialist will most likely criticise something and suggest a rework or whatever.
I guess it all comes down to the buyer and what they are prepared to pay for and accept.
With regards to the mint car though, if it's clean enough to eat you dinner off, inside and out, it's difficult to argue the price in my opinion though.
Now if it had ITB's and 350BHP, wouldn't that make it well worth it.
Old 02-13-2014 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by STUARTQ
Ras, you have a point!
It doesn't matter who did the work, another specialist will most likely criticise something and suggest a rework or whatever.
I guess it all comes down to the buyer and what they are prepared to pay for and accept.
With regards to the mint car though, if it's clean enough to eat you dinner off, inside and out, it's difficult to argue the price in my opinion though.
Now if it had ITB's and 350BHP, wouldn't that make it well worth it.
there was a fair bit of information floating around about the mint car which in my opinion was fantastic and if I had the mula would have bought it.

- Built by Jasmine Porschalink a few years ago (obviously when 964s were a lot cheaper to buy).....back then total build cost would have been closer to £35k
- More info here http://www.jasmine-porschalink.co.uk...jects-29-w.asp
- the black one they built sold in 2012 to someone on here (there is a thread about it) for £25k.....exactly the same but with out air con.
- There is an article on their website which has a mag review of both the black and mint cars. .........make up your own mind if @ less than 50% the cost of an RS its worth it but after reading the articles it does seem very good value for money (see here: http://www.jasmine-porschalink.co.uk...cles-234-c.asp / two articles - "Real Deal - 964RS replica" and "Even better than the real thing"
- This build is quite obviously done properly and is not some bodge job that needs a lot of rework etc. The mint car appears for all intents and purposes like a brand new 964 given the extensive rebuild
- I got the inspection report from jzm on the mint car......very minor work to be done plus you get the warranty. I think the guy selling it probably paid £38k and then just added jzm's SOR costs on top to get to £43k
- Kevin (964RS owning friend of ours) went to view it and actually wrote his thoughts on a ph thread about the car......now I have heard Kevin discuss cars (at last Spa trip he was thinking of buying another RS and to say he is detailed and a perfectionist is a bit of an understatement).......his thoughts on the mint car are below.......

All,
Dont post much on here, I am mainly on the PCGB RS forum with Melv and h__......

Thought I'd post given the RS theme and the fact I went to see this car yesterday - I am not a dealer and have no connection with Rutlandracing above....

If you are looking for a well sorted track focussed C2 then look no further - the car is as described and drives beautifully - i also went round it with a paint meter and there is an appropriate ammount of paint on the whole car - not overloaded as many of the genuine RS I have looked at recently. There is a small cosmetic repair around 2sq inches which is invisible without a meter. There are also pics of the original donor car which appears to be a very nice straight C2.

Mechanically it seems fine, the motor was rebuilt by Johnny at Unit 11 and he confirms trhe extent of the mechanical work - motor is strong and pulls like a train.

Niggles - I would take the eleccy windows out, cut the airbox and fit RS motor mounts - I think then you will have something very special indeed.

Why did I not buy the car? I have been trying "not" to buy a 964CS or Cup for the last 6 months (I already am forunate enought to own a mint RS) and thought that this car would satisfy my itch - however I think I am destined to buy either a CS/Cup.

Thanks to David for showing me the car and the great tea, straight up and down guy - if you want one of these then move fast because it will sell immediately the right person sees it if you follow me.

Just my 2p

Cheers,
kevin


- It fair to say you need to make up in your own mind what its worth but if it had a cup engine in it like the 993RS rep JZM had in at the same time it probably would have sold in days. Based on my research I think it was good value and I actually wish I had the readies to buy it.
- As an aside. Jasmine are quoting circa £45-55k to build one to exact same spec if anyone is interested
Old 02-13-2014 | 10:44 AM
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Andrew, what do you mean by a cup engine? I'm presuming you mean a 3.8 because a pukka cup car has a 3.6 which is pretty much the same engine as a standard 964, save for the exhaust, airbox and weight saving changes AFAIK.
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Originally Posted by boxsey911
Andrew, what do you mean by a cup engine? I'm presuming you mean a 3.8 because a pukka cup car has a 3.6 which is pretty much the same engine as a standard 964, save for the exhaust, airbox and weight saving changes AFAIK.
apologies - I was referring to the cup engine that was in this car which was for sale at the same time for about £10k more

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-fo...2-for-sale-479
Old 02-13-2014 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by boxsey911
Selling Vic?
No way, it's too much fun
I just need to find the time to use it more
Old 02-13-2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bigunit_271078
there was a fair bit of information floating around about the mint car which in my opinion was fantastic and if I had the mula would have bought it.

- Built by Jasmine Porschalink a few years ago (obviously when 964s were a lot cheaper to buy).....back then total build cost would have been closer to £35k
- More info here http://www.jasmine-porschalink.co.uk...jects-29-w.asp
- the black one they built sold in 2012 to someone on here (there is a thread about it) for £25k.....exactly the same but with out air con.
- There is an article on their website which has a mag review of both the black and mint cars. .........make up your own mind if @ less than 50% the cost of an RS its worth it but after reading the articles it does seem very good value for money (see here: http://www.jasmine-porschalink.co.uk...cles-234-c.asp / two articles - "Real Deal - 964RS replica" and "Even better than the real thing"
- This build is quite obviously done properly and is not some bodge job that needs a lot of rework etc. The mint car appears for all intents and purposes like a brand new 964 given the extensive rebuild
- I got the inspection report from jzm on the mint car......very minor work to be done plus you get the warranty. I think the guy selling it probably paid £38k and then just added jzm's SOR costs on top to get to £43k
- Kevin (964RS owning friend of ours) went to view it and actually wrote his thoughts on a ph thread about the car......now I have heard Kevin discuss cars (at last Spa trip he was thinking of buying another RS and to say he is detailed and a perfectionist is a bit of an understatement).......his thoughts on the mint car are below.......

All,
Dont post much on here, I am mainly on the PCGB RS forum with Melv and h__......

Thought I'd post given the RS theme and the fact I went to see this car yesterday - I am not a dealer and have no connection with Rutlandracing above....

If you are looking for a well sorted track focussed C2 then look no further - the car is as described and drives beautifully - i also went round it with a paint meter and there is an appropriate ammount of paint on the whole car - not overloaded as many of the genuine RS I have looked at recently. There is a small cosmetic repair around 2sq inches which is invisible without a meter. There are also pics of the original donor car which appears to be a very nice straight C2.

Mechanically it seems fine, the motor was rebuilt by Johnny at Unit 11 and he confirms trhe extent of the mechanical work - motor is strong and pulls like a train.

Niggles - I would take the eleccy windows out, cut the airbox and fit RS motor mounts - I think then you will have something very special indeed.

Why did I not buy the car? I have been trying "not" to buy a 964CS or Cup for the last 6 months (I already am forunate enought to own a mint RS) and thought that this car would satisfy my itch - however I think I am destined to buy either a CS/Cup.

Thanks to David for showing me the car and the great tea, straight up and down guy - if you want one of these then move fast because it will sell immediately the right person sees it if you follow me.

Just my 2p

Cheers,
kevin


- It fair to say you need to make up in your own mind what its worth but if it had a cup engine in it like the 993RS rep JZM had in at the same time it probably would have sold in days. Based on my research I think it was good value and I actually wish I had the readies to buy it.
- As an aside. Jasmine are quoting circa £45-55k to build one to exact same spec if anyone is interested
Nice bit of info on this car, thanks for that and as I thought, well worth the money?
Old 02-13-2014 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bigunit_271078
apologies - I was referring to the cup engine that was in this car which was for sale at the same time for about £10k more

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-fo...2-for-sale-479
That looks like it would be fun...and yet another example of an air cooled that is very difficult to value i.e. it's cheap compared to a 993RS but still a lot of dosh to risk using it as a track car.
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Yup - I'd have to agree. The Mint car was expensive. Especially by our eyes since many of us bought 964s years ago. In truth the sensible bone in me would have bought a car with the work I wanted already done - but at the time I bought mine for 14K.

I believe the cost to build would be higher than to by ready made - always is.
On that note, Hmmm think I may have a ready meal tonight.
Old 02-13-2014 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK-BETTY
Yup - I'd have to agree. The Mint car was expensive. Especially by our eyes since many of us bought 964s years ago. In truth the sensible bone in me would have bought a car with the work I wanted already done - but at the time I bought mine for 14K.

I believe the cost to build would be higher than to by ready made - always is.
On that note, Hmmm think I may have a ready meal tonight.
Probably some intangible value doing it as your own project though so it may cost a bit more financially the car is based on your own requirements. Definitely strong pros and cons for each option.
Old 02-13-2014 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bigunit_271078
Probably some intangible value doing it as your own project though so it may cost a bit more financially the car is based on your own requirements. Definitely strong pros and cons for each option.
+1 Plus it allows you to spread the build cost over as long a period you like. Coming up to 6 years in my case.


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