Christer

[quote]Originally posted by jes999:
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If this were only about exclusivity, the Targas would be demanding a larger premium than the RSAs!
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I think you will find my opinion above explains why it is NOT about exclusivity, but patriotism.

I'm telling ya, watch out for the M3 America coming to a dealership near you!

jes999

[quote]Originally posted by Targamike:
<strong>Does it say how many Targas were imported in 1990?</strong><hr></blockquote>


1990 model year production (8/89 to 7/90) was 158 Targas for the US and 61 for Canada. 1991 model year production (8/90 to 7/91) was 746 Targas for US and Canada combined.

RSAErick

It's not exclusivity; it's not patriotism.

It's something that current and future Porsche owners value much, much, more... performance models.

PhilW

I was looking at the 2002 PCA club racing rules and noticed that the RS America (along with the 911 Carrera Cup, 993s and 1992 and older turbos) is in the D Class run group while the non turbo 964s are in the F Class run group. I have never seen a club race, maybe someone could enlighten me on why the RSA and 964s are in different run groups?

Phil W.

Jim Michaels

Phil:

I think it may be at least in part because the C2 has to make a higher weight minimum than the RSA. As I recall, the RSA can be lightened to the same weight as the USA Cup cars (somewhere around 2700#), while the regular C2 has to run at over 3000#.

GeoC2cab

[quote]Originally posted by RSAErick:
<strong>It's not exclusivity; it's not patriotism.

It's something that current and future Porsche owners value much, much, more... performance models.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean I can have a performance model by adding a front sway bar, larger rims, and a fixed rear spoiler,
pull my power steering and add cheaper interior?(thinner means cheaper, less detail means cheaper)
thats a mighty short list, I think I might have went way overboard making my Porsche a "Perfomance Model". But I can understand why my car isn't worth more, I forgot to put the RS stickers on the side!
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RSAErick

Geo,
Don't forget to add the M030 sport suspension package which included the use of much of the upgraded running gear from the 911 C2 Turbo; the Turbo's progressively wound coil springs, and upgraded shock absorbers in addition to the larger diameter sway bar, larger rims, and a fixed rear spoiler that you mentioned.

And as for the "cheaper" interior? I wouldn't trade the upgraded sport seats in the RSA for anything. Other that that, the only other difference that I can see is that there are no back seats. I don't have kids, so it's not a problem for me...

For those who are interested in performance, the RSA is upgraded performance model. Period.

For those who are NOT interested in performance (ie. Cab owners?), I can understand why these upgrades wouldn't mean much to you.

Manny Alban

The C2 is probably the dominant car of choice for F class in PCA Club Racing. So much so that it was almost moved up one class to E. It still may end up there one day. I've been racing mine since 1998 and the only complaint I have is the brakes. Very easy to overcook them if you don't learn to manage them properly. I've slowly added the OG Racing cooling ducts (spent more on labor to make them fit properly that what I paid for the actual kit); Castrol SRF brake fluid; frozen rotors (the verdict is still out on these as I have trying them for the first time this year) and virtually every brake pad available. Still, if you try and brake with the euro SC's, you'll overcook them really quick.


-Manny Alban
90 911C2, #53, F, der wunderbread car

joey bagadonuts

[quote]Originally posted by PHILW:
<strong>maybe someone could enlighten me on why the RSA and 964s are in different run groups?

Phil W.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm looking at the Club Racing Rules (no immediate plans, mind you) and the Classes reflect comparable power as expressed in a lb/hp ratio, e.g.

D Class
- 95 993.......3064 lbs...270 hp...11.35 lb/hp
- 96-98 993..3064 lbs...282 hp...10.87 lb/hp
- All RSA......2760 lbs...247 hp...11.17 lb/hp
- Carr. Cup...2760 lbs...247 hp...11.17 lb/hp
- 91-92 965..3000 lbs...315 hp....9.52 lb/hp

F Class
- 87-89 911..2756 lbs...214 hp...12.88 lb/hp
- 90-94 C2....3031 lbs...247 hp...12.27 lb/hp
- 89-94 C4....3197 lbs...247 hp...12.94 lb/hp
- 96-97 986..2822 lbs...201 hp...14.04 lb/hp
- 86-88 951..2899 lbs...217 hp...13.36 lb/hp

The 3.6 965 fell into C Class with a 9.22 ratio. There are quite a few stipulations regarding classification, but modifications to brake calipers, the engine (after filter/before exhaust port), gearing and body/chasis may result in progression to a "higher" class. The rules can be downloaded from the <a href="http://www.pca.org" target="_blank">PCA </a>website. Look in the Club Racing section.

All right, have at it.

joey bagadonuts

[quote]Originally posted by Christer:
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I think you will find my opinion above explains why it is NOT about exclusivity, but patriotism.

I'm telling ya, watch out for the M3 America coming to a dealership near you!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I got it, Mr. Pinstripes. <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Cloud964

The RSA is what a Porsche should be. I have been hoping to own one since they first came out.Currently I have a '93 C2 and one of these days if I come across the perfect one, I'll definitely not let the opportunity slide by. my friend who has a 993 admit that he will trade his for a RSA with no regret.
Quotes from 1992 Sports Car International:
"Of the current U.S. model line (964s), the RS is the most serious Carrera. It has all the important things that created the 911 tradition, with few of the frills. It might be the kind of 911 to make the purists plunk down some hard cash. Who knows, they might even stop saying that the hottest 911s were made a couple of decades ago. "
Their track test result: 0-60 4.93 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.49 sec@103.5 mph

I drove one and I think I NEED one.
And to all who has one : You lucky son of a gun !

GeoC2cab

[quote]Originally posted by RSAErick:

For those who are NOT interested in performance (ie. Cab owners?), I can understand why these upgrades wouldn't mean much to you.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

GeoC2cab

High,
Erick,
Please dont speak for cab. owners about performance(especially this one). I am a 11 year owner and admit to WANTING and NEEDING(yes needing) more performance from my stock C2. I admit I have no interest in tracking, but the ONLY thing I use my car for is Sunday morning rips through the forests and farms of S.W.N.Y. state(over 300 miles today from 5:45 am.to 11:00 am.) and over the years as I have become more aquainted w/ my car and as my driving skills matured I have upgraded my car with SAFTEY and PERFORMANCE in mind. Here is just off the top of my head:
1. Andial sport chip
2. Andial semi-light flywheel
3. Borla stainless primary by-pass
4. AJR power tube(secondary by-pass)
5. drilled my air box
6. factory strut brace
7. Bilstein HD shocks
8. Eibach progressive springs
9. Factory 22 mm sway bars(front and rear)
10. 17" factory C2 turbo rims(7&9) on Bridgestone SO2's
11. lowered and aligned
12. Porsche 13" big blacks on factory cross drilled rotors, w/Alcon hats in front
13. Porsche 993 4 piston rear calipers on cross drilled rotors in the rear
14. Ruf chin spoiler
15. Factory "tequipment" carbon fibre goodies for the interior.
I still gotta order those 'RS' stickers though!
Also anything I've ever read about the RSA it is based on a stock C2 not a turbo as u seem to believe. Sorry., I still like the RSA alot,but I like cabs more, much more., To me their what living is all about.(But that wouldnt intrest a RS america owner now, would it?), see how stupid your last comment really is......anyone who buys a Porsche is interested in performance, just what level u want to go to is the question.

Randall G.

Porsche used to produce Turbos in cab (and Targa) form, so they must have felt cab ownership and serious performance can mix.

Bill Gregory

[quote]<strong>Quotes from 1992 Sports Car International: "Of the current U.S. model line (964s), the RS is the most serious Carrera. It has all the important things that created the 911 tradition, with few of the frills.... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's hope they weren't confusing the RS America with the non-US Carrera RS, which was a very different 964.